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Offline Agent_Koopa

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The average burglary runs approximately 4 to 10 minutes. More organized criminals will find out how long it takes for the police to arrive on scene on a GOOD DAY. They'll aim for that time, minus 2 minutes. In, out, and gone in a few minutes. If I had anyone else in my house and someone walked in, be sure to God I'd do everything to stop them. Friends, girlfriends, wives, siblings, children, parents, &c. I would make sure that bastard would at least be in pain after commiting a crime.

I consider my stuff above a criminal; a criminal is no more important if they stoop to that level to enter someone's house they forfeit all rights as a person.

The US legal system is quite frankly ****ed up. A burglar broke into a woman's house, stepped on a shard of broken glass, and successfully sued the woman who owned that house! That burglar should have been put in jail for life! Instead, he got a slap on the wrist and millions of dollars!

And now we get into the whole death penalty debate. Do you get to take away somebody's life, simply because they want to take your things? If there's a bully in your kid's schoolyard who takes your kid's lunch money, (You or I may not have kids, but this is just an analogy) then should you show up in a car and pop a cap in his face? Think what has to happen to somebody before they want to break into someone's house. Doesn't that person deserve sympathy, instead of your bullets? Do you treat a person as an inanimate object, simply because they made a mistake? I can't speak for the US justice system, and I doubt your story (has that woman ever heard of a lawyer?), but a burglar does not get life without parole in any justice system I've ever heard of.
Has she ever heard of a lawyer? Definately. Have you ever heard of children? I am not going to disclose the names of my friend's family, beyond the children are named Anthony and Alex; I know Anthony quite well and I've met his sister a few times.

The whole death penalty debate. There is a differance between home invasion and a common bully. I would say something to the administration or teach my kid how to fight (as in karate, which I already practice). If a man walked into my home for less-than-friendly reasons, force will be used to protect myself, my loved ones, and my stuff! If that person must resort to crime to get money, ought he be on social security or something else of the sort? A serious criminal was a person who gave up his or her humanity. They did make a mistake; they could have done quite a bit to avoid it.

Burglars can be rehabilitated easier than most. Still, if they walk into my family I would fully plan to make sure they're carried out on a stretcher.


Note: The story is true though vague from two things; i don't give out the full names of friends and families online and I last heard the story about a year ago. Still, it is completely true from my memory.

Wait, so children acted as witnesses for the burglar's case? Or were children lawyers for the woman? Or the burglar's children were injured by the glass? What are you trying to say? I'm not calling you a liar, now I know that it was an experience of someone you knew well, but I just want to know how this could have happened.


Also, if a Swiss man tried to shoot his neighbour with his government-distributed rifle, half a dozen knife blades and assorted implements would be sticking out of his back before he could raise his gun. They don't sell foreigners real Swiss army knives.  :D
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Wait, so children acted as witnesses for the burglar's case? Or were children lawyers for the woman? Or the burglar's children were injured by the glass? What are you trying to say? I'm not calling you a liar, now I know that it was an experience of someone you knew well, but I just want to know how this could have happened.
He's saying that even a percieved threat to your child is reason enough to kill, although whether or not that would hold up in court is another story.

 

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Wait, so children acted as witnesses for the burglar's case? Or were children lawyers for the woman? Or the burglar's children were injured by the glass? What are you trying to say? I'm not calling you a liar, now I know that it was an experience of someone you knew well, but I just want to know how this could have happened.
He's saying that even a percieved threat to your child is reason enough to kill, although whether or not that would hold up in court is another story.

Hold on, that's not what he said. He said the burglar sued for damages, having stepped on a shard of glass.
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Oh, well that's bollocks, shoot the ****er I say. :p

 

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The average burglary runs approximately 4 to 10 minutes. More organized criminals will find out how long it takes for the police to arrive on scene on a GOOD DAY. They'll aim for that time, minus 2 minutes. In, out, and gone in a few minutes. If I had anyone else in my house and someone walked in, be sure to God I'd do everything to stop them. Friends, girlfriends, wives, siblings, children, parents, &c. I would make sure that bastard would at least be in pain after commiting a crime.

I consider my stuff above a criminal; a criminal is no more important if they stoop to that level to enter someone's house they forfeit all rights as a person.

The US legal system is quite frankly ****ed up. A burglar broke into a woman's house, stepped on a shard of broken glass, and successfully sued the woman who owned that house! That burglar should have been put in jail for life! Instead, he got a slap on the wrist and millions of dollars!

And now we get into the whole death penalty debate. Do you get to take away somebody's life, simply because they want to take your things? If there's a bully in your kid's schoolyard who takes your kid's lunch money, (You or I may not have kids, but this is just an analogy) then should you show up in a car and pop a cap in his face? Think what has to happen to somebody before they want to break into someone's house. Doesn't that person deserve sympathy, instead of your bullets? Do you treat a person as an inanimate object, simply because they made a mistake? I can't speak for the US justice system, and I doubt your story (has that woman ever heard of a lawyer?), but a burglar does not get life without parole in any justice system I've ever heard of.
Has she ever heard of a lawyer? Definately. Have you ever heard of children? I am not going to disclose the names of my friend's family, beyond the children are named Anthony and Alex; I know Anthony quite well and I've met his sister a few times.

The whole death penalty debate. There is a differance between home invasion and a common bully. I would say something to the administration or teach my kid how to fight (as in karate, which I already practice). If a man walked into my home for less-than-friendly reasons, force will be used to protect myself, my loved ones, and my stuff! If that person must resort to crime to get money, ought he be on social security or something else of the sort? A serious criminal was a person who gave up his or her humanity. They did make a mistake; they could have done quite a bit to avoid it.

Burglars can be rehabilitated easier than most. Still, if they walk into my family I would fully plan to make sure they're carried out on a stretcher.


Note: The story is true though vague from two things; i don't give out the full names of friends and families online and I last heard the story about a year ago. Still, it is completely true from my memory.

Wait, so children acted as witnesses for the burglar's case? Or were children lawyers for the woman? Or the burglar's children were injured by the glass? What are you trying to say? I'm not calling you a liar, now I know that it was an experience of someone you knew well, but I just want to know how this could have happened.


Also, if a Swiss man tried to shoot his neighbour with his government-distributed rifle, half a dozen knife blades and assorted implements would be sticking out of his back before he could raise his gun. They don't sell foreigners real Swiss army knives.  :D
I know how it is in Switzerland; I want to move to Switzerland after I finish college. I am a quarter Swiss, quarter German, quarter Austrian, and the other quarter is other assorted American blend.

Two different stories...
The first was of what happened to my friend and friend's mother. She was a stay-at-home mom then, if you remember her husband is involved in New York State law enforcement (I won't say the specific one, same reasons as before). The second was of another case before then where a man breaks into a woman's house. During be burglary he stepped on a shard of glass that went through his sneakers, while in the act. He is disabled by the glass, caught, treated, then goes on to sue the woman whose house he broken into. He successfully won for damages; either he bought off the jury or they were ALL high.

Anyways; I like the idea from Switzerland. Excellent military-training for all civilians--to teach about using guns, properly, in High School would be an excellent way to both train future military (iirc military service is mandatory; though the military is simply for defence. I've had many great Uncles who have served.)
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I think the United States should adopt a required "state service" term.  In this term, you could choose military service, or if you have any religious/physical problems with military service, you could work at say, road cleanup or something.
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I know how it is in Switzerland; I want to move to Switzerland after I finish college. I am a quarter Swiss, quarter German, quarter Austrian, and the other quarter is other assorted American blend.

Two different stories...
The first was of what happened to my friend and friend's mother. She was a stay-at-home mom then, if you remember her husband is involved in New York State law enforcement (I won't say the specific one, same reasons as before). The second was of another case before then where a man breaks into a woman's house. During be burglary he stepped on a shard of glass that went through his sneakers, while in the act. He is disabled by the glass, caught, treated, then goes on to sue the woman whose house he broken into. He successfully won for damages; either he bought off the jury or they were ALL high.

Anyways; I like the idea from Switzerland. Excellent military-training for all civilians--to teach about using guns, properly, in High School would be an excellent way to both train future military (iirc military service is mandatory; though the military is simply for defence. I've had many great Uncles who have served.)

Okay, relax. You like the fact that every male of a certain age is drafted? You think that everyone should be taught to use guns in high school, so that they can join the army when they're old enough? Is this why you want to go to Switzerland? Should everyone join the Swiss Army? Why? Is it the knives? I knew they were just a clever ploy!
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I know how it is in Switzerland; I want to move to Switzerland after I finish college. I am a quarter Swiss, quarter German, quarter Austrian, and the other quarter is other assorted American blend.

Two different stories...
The first was of what happened to my friend and friend's mother. She was a stay-at-home mom then, if you remember her husband is involved in New York State law enforcement (I won't say the specific one, same reasons as before). The second was of another case before then where a man breaks into a woman's house. During be burglary he stepped on a shard of glass that went through his sneakers, while in the act. He is disabled by the glass, caught, treated, then goes on to sue the woman whose house he broken into. He successfully won for damages; either he bought off the jury or they were ALL high.

Anyways; I like the idea from Switzerland. Excellent military-training for all civilians--to teach about using guns, properly, in High School would be an excellent way to both train future military (iirc military service is mandatory; though the military is simply for defence. I've had many great Uncles who have served.)

Okay, relax. You like the fact that every male of a certain age is drafted? You think that everyone should be taught to use guns in high school, so that they can join the army when they're old enough? Is this why you want to go to Switzerland? Should everyone join the Swiss Army? Why? Is it the knives? I knew they were just a clever ploy!
The fact that they do have a draft but don't shove half-a-million men into a hell-hole is what is inviting. The military is always there for defence; I would gladly die in the defence of my own country's territory. I will refuse to enter the US Military for several reasons; they shove people into Iraq and Afghanistan, they're world police; out of their own jurisdiction, and I don't support the wide corruption at so many levels (NYS has so many corrupt politicians who people blindly vote for out of party lines, not to mention the US Vice President's scandal).

The fact is it is a great way to do service for your county. I would gladly accept Swiss citizenship and all the benefits and drawbacks of said citizenship. I would gladly go back after what is currently happening in the USA. The real Swiss knives; just a perk ;7
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Offline Agent_Koopa

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The fact that they do have a draft but don't shove half-a-million men into a hell-hole is what is inviting. The military is always there for defence; I would gladly die in the defence of my own country's territory. I will refuse to enter the US Military for several reasons; they shove people into Iraq and Afghanistan, they're world police; out of their own jurisdiction, and I don't support the wide corruption at so many levels (NYS has so many corrupt politicians who people blindly vote for out of party lines, not to mention the US Vice President's scandal).

The fact is it is a great way to do service for your county. I would gladly accept Swiss citizenship and all the benefits and drawbacks of said citizenship. I would gladly go back after what is currently happening in the USA. The real Swiss knives; just a perk ;7

Okay, I understand, I guess. All the same, I am tempted to quote Ursula K. LeGuin, in her book The Left Hand of Darkness: "How does one hate a country, or love one? ... I know people, I know towns, farms, hills and rivers and rocks ... but what is the sense of giving a boundary to all that, of giving it a name and ceasing to love where the name ceases to apply? What is love of one's country; is it hate of one's uncountry? Then it's not a good thing. Is it simply self-love? That's a good thing, but one musn't make a virtue of it, or a profession.
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Re: Virginia Tech Shootings
We had something similar happen here in Australia in 1996. A sick loonie by the name of Martin Bryant wanted to be remembered, so he went and shot 35 people dead and injured 36 on a main strip in Port Arthur with an AR-15 and a FN FAL (both automatic machie guns).

There were gun restrictions and total bans on these guns, but there is still a black market for handguns and shotguns, and people still get killed out here.


Besides, not to offend people ,but George W Bush doesnt really seem like the sort of person to want to crack down on guns. I think he enjoys....... 'action'.

 
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Anyways, i agree with the bush thingy. Being Canadian i don't like him much either :P

Kinda stupid that i guy wants to be remembered by killing people. If i remember him I'll remember him as useless.
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My take on it - if someone breaks into my house I have aright to defend myself with force.

I would try to disable him (shoot in the kneecaps or something), not kill him. But then atgain, I'm saying this while I'm completely calm and rational...when the adrenaline starts pumpin' and you fear for your own life and that of your loved ones, you might act differently...especially if it's dark and not well lit.

If a burglary ends with the burglars death at the hands of the house owner, I'm don't think the owner should be sued for homicide....
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Well i dunno about America (or Croatia in your case Trashman) but you don't go to court for self defense here.
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My take on it - if someone breaks into my house I have aright to defend myself with force.

I would try to disable him (shoot in the kneecaps or something), not kill him. But then atgain, I'm saying this while I'm completely calm and rational...when the adrenaline starts pumpin' and you fear for your own life and that of your loved ones, you might act differently...especially if it's dark and not well lit.

If a burglary ends with the burglars death at the hands of the house owner, I'm don't think the owner should be sued for homicide....

No kidding.If some one robbed my house and i had a gun and/or knife i would kill him slowly.(aww theres no sigh to suit my craziness).This will do- :hammer:. :D I really mean it.
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Hades, you have no idea what it's like to kill somebody. I don't either, and I'm sure nobody here on HLPBB does either, but the least i could do is put a bullet to the head and be over with the trouble. I don't like a knife. To be honest I'd rather hold a gun then a knife.
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I was kidding about the knife.But not the gun.....I might beat them to death......
[22:29] <sigtau> Hello, #hard-light?  I'm trying to tell a girl she looks really good for someone who doesn't exercise.  How do I word that non-offensively?
[22:29] <RangerKarl|AtWork> "you look like a big tasty muffin"
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<batwota> wouldn’t that mean that it’s prepared to kiss your ass if you flank it :p
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...My point is i prefer guns over anything that involves being so close to your enemy...besides, guns can kill alot faster then a knife depending on your skill at either one. Besides, knifes are alot more gruesome if you ask me...
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Hades, you have no idea what it's like to kill somebody. I don't either, and I'm sure nobody here on HLPBB does either, but the least i could do is put a bullet to the head and be over with the trouble. I don't like a knife. To be honest I'd rather hold a gun then a knife.

Knife in the head...bullet in the head...insta death in both cases...
You can be "mercifull" with both weapons...who said a knife hurts more than a gun anyway?
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me, i guess. lol. :snipe:
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What is that smiley???
[22:29] <sigtau> Hello, #hard-light?  I'm trying to tell a girl she looks really good for someone who doesn't exercise.  How do I word that non-offensively?
[22:29] <RangerKarl|AtWork> "you look like a big tasty muffin"
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<batwota> wouldn’t that mean that it’s prepared to kiss your ass if you flank it :p
<batwota> wow
<batwota> KILL