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Offline Windrunner

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I just watched Al Gores documentary "An inconvenient truth", and its really startling to see what is happening to our world. My question to you is if the global warming has affected you somehow? And what does your government do to prevent it?

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I think "An inconvenient truth" exaggerates a bit, but climate change is occurring no doubt.

I'm doing whatever the U.S. is doing, diddly squat.
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Offline Goober5000

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We kind of covered everything in this thread...

I don't think anyone has changed their minds since then. :)

 

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In an ABC News interview in August 2006, Hawking explained, "The danger is that global warming may become self-sustaining, if it has not done so already. The melting of the Arctic and Antarctic ice caps reduces the fraction of solar energy reflected back into space, and so increases the temperature further. Climate change may kill off the Amazon and other rain forests, and so eliminate one of the main ways in which carbon dioxide is removed from the atmosphere. The rise in sea temperature may trigger the release of large quantities of methane, trapped as hydrates on the ocean floor. Both these phenomena would increase the greenhouse effect, and so further global warming. We have to reverse global warming urgently, if we still can."

Scary thought.
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Yeah, who knows... might even stabilize or something, instead of this unstable leftover from the Ice Age junk that we have now.  :rolleyes:  Honestly, you think the world was coming to an end before the Ice Age??

 

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If you're talking long term, then I don't think there is such a thing as stabilizing for such a complex and constantly moving system as our world's climate. We're always coming to an end anyway, just depends on how you look at it :).

 

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Honestly, you think the world was coming to an end before the Ice Age??

It did for 97% of the species on the planet at one point. The world may not end, but that doesn't mean it would be capable of supporting species that rely on a 20/80 O2/N relationship in their breathing, life would probably survive, but human life is another question.

 

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Honestly, you think the world was coming to an end before the Ice Age??

It did for 97% of the species on the planet at one point. The world may not end, but that doesn't mean it would be capable of supporting species that rely on a 20/80 O2/N relationship in their breathing, life would probably survive, but human life is another question.

I think that like in all things nature demands balance, if the global temprature continues to rise and the polar icecaps melt the only counter to that is a new ice age that could cool down the entire planet and restore the balance.

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I think most species would survive both global warming and an ice age.  Why?  Well, during an Ice Age, correct me if I'm wrong, there are still tropical places, just they are smaller.  I don't think the Earth turned into a giant IceBall during the Ice Age, just the cold areas were alot larger, and the warm areas were small.  I think an Ice Age would bring alot of migration.  Global warming - well, we'd all sweat more.  Big deal.

 

Offline Janos

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I think most species would survive both global warming and an ice age.  Why?  Well, during an Ice Age, correct me if I'm wrong, there are still tropical places, just they are smaller.  I don't think the Earth turned into a giant IceBall during the Ice Age, just the cold areas were alot larger, and the warm areas were small.  I think an Ice Age would bring alot of migration.  Global warming - well, we'd all sweat more.  Big deal.

Most of the species will die when they lose their enviroments, simple as that, period. All mass extinction events have drastically decreased the faunal variety, P-T being the most obvious one. If you really think that a very rapid enviromental change wouldn't decimate a huge amount of species and give immense sociopolitical problems for mankind, then... well.
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I think balance will restore itself, but balance from an Ecological point of view, not a human one.

There have been several changes to the composition of the atmosphere if research is to be believed, over the last few hundred million years. At one stage, the atmosphere contained an awful lot more methane than it does now, though, tbh, this was back before even triploblasts emerged, so we're talking a more unsettled planet.

The thing is, we aren't talking about a harmony here, The Gaia theory has that one weakness, it assumes that there is an ideal state that the earth wants to be at and it will always return to it. That's not strictly true, what the Earth wants as such is to reach a point of stability, but that stability may not neccesarily be in the 'Gaia' environment from a human point of view, in fact, it does not need to even be life supporting.

Foruntately, life imposes itself on the environment, the more life there is, the more life there can be, and the more suitable the environment becomes, but suitable is not stable, at some point the change in the environment is going to promote a response from it. In many ways Environmentalism isn't about loving planet Earth, it's about finding ways to deal with its indifference to us.

Edit : In short, from a purely ecological point of view, an Ice Age would screw us, as size goes, we are in something like the top 15% largest animals on the planet, and they are the ones most at risk from environmental change because they place the highest demand on their environment.

But we're odd, as far as we are aware, for the first time, an Ice Age threatens a species that can sidestep a lot of the rules, because we can plan ahead and, just possibly, adapt to the environment faster than it can change, even if massive environmental change does come soon, I don't think it would be the end of humanity, though it would certainly be the end of a large percentage of it.
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Offline Mefustae

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...because we can plan ahead...
Of course we can, riiiight after we stop bickering... :rolleyes:

Say it with me now: We're ****ed.

 

Offline Flipside

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Heh, I'm trying to be optimistic here :nervous:

 

Offline Mefustae

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Heh, I'm trying to be optimistic here :nervous:
I tried optimism once. I was always getting disappointed.

 

Offline WMCoolmon

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I tried pessimism, but I kept on getting pleasantly surprised. It makes it very hard to be pessimistic when the world keeps on existing and doesn't self-destruct in a ball of fire. :p
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Pffft!  If we really wanted to quit fossil fuels, we could do it now.  The technology is available.  No, not solar, alternative fuels, hydro or wind.... The technology works quite well, but Not In My Back Yard.  (Actually, since I don't freak out over stupid occurrences like Cherynobl, I wouldn't mind.)

 

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Minimum wage jobs having people run in wheels like hamsters hooked up to generators.
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Offline WMCoolmon

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Minimum wage jobs having people run in wheels like hamsters hooked up to generators.

Maybe that could solve the illegal immigration controversy as well.

*runs*
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Offline Mefustae

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Maybe that could solve the illegal immigration controversy as well.
And it could provide a unique way of dealing with criminals. Rather than sticking them in cells, sucking up resources while they contribute little to society, they can be put to some serious work. Rather than getting a sentence measured in time, you get a sentence measured in power. Rather than giving criminals a specified number of years in jail, the Judge merely yells '1.21 GIGAWATTS!!' or whatever and the prisoner has to produce that amount of power on a hamster-wheel.

It would produce a much-needed service to society free of charge, and you could even make a quick buck off it by charging admission for people to come by and watch the dumb bastards run.
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ROFL sounds like a plan.