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Offline Unknown Target

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What annoys you about non-gamers?
Since HLP is a pretty gaming-centric community, filled with gaming-centric people, what annoys you most about those people who don't play games but still insist on engaging you with what is commonly known as "social interaction"?

I have to say, one of the things at the top of my list is when people walk over and either A) compare every shooter you happen to be playing to Halo - either "that looks like Halo," "this rips off of Halo" (with an old or new game) or even "Is this Halo?" - which brings me to my next point, B ) when people come over and ask you if the game you're playing is the game that they're used to playing. Case in point? I'm playing STALKER, and one kid comes over and asks me "Is that Battlefield 2?" and then another, right after, comes over and asks me "Is that SOCOM?" (on a PC). Ok, guys, you play YOUR game, whatever it may be, I'd figure you'd be smart enough to figure out that a game that takes place in a post apocalyptic landscape and is on an entirely different system, and even better, is played from the first instead of third person, is not the same game that you play at home.

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Re: What annoys you about non-gamers?
One thing that, while not exactly annoying, is certainly awkward, is when a family member (say, my uncle) who has absolutely no knowledge of games or gaming, suddenly sees you playing and decides to find out what the fuss is about. It's a leap of imagination that cannot be explained, it has to be experienced.

How do you explain a game to someone who has never used a mouse, and whose most recent interaction with a computer involved using punch-cards? How do you explain slower-than-light lasers, weird aliens and massive destructo-fests of exploding ships to someone whose reaction to the phrase "Star Wars" is "Ah yes, that Reagan thing."? How do you explain fireballs, dragons, runes, swordplay and level-advancement to someone whose idea of roleplaying is that stuff psychologists inevitably do when they've got a group to work with? How do you explain that one does not need to be a violent person to like Duke Nukem 3D?

There are reasons people like Jack Thomson exist, and one of them is that these things cannot be adequately explained to an outsider. And when someone you care about suddenly shows up and wants to know, and you try your best to explain but know deep down that everything you say is going way over their heads, that's not really comfortable. If makes you feel bad, and makes them feel old, stupid, and perhaps a bit worried if they managed to catch you with Doom 3 running. I now make it a point to never be playing a video game whenever anyone from the more senior generations happen to stop by.
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Offline Polpolion

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Re: What annoys you about non-gamers?
I hate how they ridicule us for being computer literate.

 
Re: What annoys you about non-gamers?
For me, it is when they say that gamers "do not socialize". I mean, really. What are we doing on this forum right here and now? I'd call this socializing. And most if not all of us have real-world lives alongside the time we spend on games and the internet.

"You're a gamer? And here I thought you had a life..." and comments of that nature.  :mad:

When did gamers get a reputation for being people who lock themselves in a room all day and not speak to anyone? I've not heard of even one person who does that (although, at the same time, I don't doubt that there is some nut out there who does), and that seems to be in the non-gamer's mental image of us... :doubt:
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Re: What annoys you about non-gamers?
Actually it has to be said I do know some people who'd rather sit in their rooms all day playing games than going out and doing other stuff - which is really their call.

But that does give computer gamers a bad deal. Particularly PC gamers as console gaming has a certain "pick up and play" chic appeal to it that means anyone - quite literally - can pick up and learn all the controls fairly quickly. PC games require a little bit more thought put into them and that's often enough to make someone switch off.

So I suppose my gripe is the stigma that comes of playing computer games.

 

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Re: What annoys you about non-gamers?
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For me, it is when they say that gamers "do not socialize".

Good point there. Not socializing? Right now, I'm posting on a forum that has members from every continent, I've got two IRC channels and a java chat window going where I'm having conversations in two different languages with people from at least 10 different countries, I'm exchanging E-mails with a family member in Philadelphia, and I haven't even gotten around to checking PMs yet.

Sure, we don't go out and get drunk together (though I suppose that wouldn't be unthinkable if we lived close enough together), but why should socializing be that narrowly defined? I'm well aware this makes me a grade-A geek (well, that, and the browsing Wikipedia for fun, the computer-fixing for IT-ignorant family and my love for science fiction and fantasy). But it doesn't make me anti-social. Besides, I like a good party as much as the next guy, I watch football with my friends and I like to go out canoeing in the summer, so I guess there's hope for me yet :)
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Re: What annoys you about non-gamers?
For me, it is when they say that gamers "do not socialize". I mean, really. What are we doing on this forum right here and now? I'd call this socializing. And most if not all of us have real-world lives alongside the time we spend on games and the internet.

"You're a gamer? And here I thought you had a life..." and comments of that nature.  :mad:



That's the one I hate the most. And I agree with what Shade says, socializing cant be defined this narrowly but almost all people who I've spoken about this cant understand something so simple. Two other classic ones are: "Games are for kids" and "Games are stupid/You dont learn anything from this". I swear, I already had entire discussions of various subjects like about philosophy, society, etc simply from something I saw on games like MGS (specially MGS2) and so on.

 

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Re: What annoys you about non-gamers?
That they stole my damn PnP RPG player label and applied to their fancy computerized crap.

Bunch of undisciplined whippersnappers, get off my lawn!
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Re: What annoys you about non-gamers?
What really pisses me off are otherwise reasonable people like Roger Ebert who quote these bull**** studies that gamers brains turn off when they're playing and generally scoff at the idea of games having any value, not (necessarily) because they see games as a dire threat to our society like Jack Thompson does, but because they're so deep set in their beliefs that it's too straining on their minds to even consider that a game could possess any artistic value whatsoever. These people need to play Dreamfall or something.
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Re: What annoys you about non-gamers?
Almost every high-functioning animal uses play to hone it's skills, and not just children, the problem here is the assumption that 'games' = 'kids', and therefore why are young men and women playing them?

The truth is, the games don't change, we just think up different names for them, 'Sport', 'Dancing', 'Theatre', 'Art' etc, it's still a question of using your imagination to add substance to the insubstancial.

The problem with people like Jack Thompson's view of the world is that they think this 'Training' means 'Brainwashing', it's like saying that it is common for an actor to actually think they are the character they are playing all the time and not just whilst they are in the studio acting.

 
Re: What annoys you about non-gamers?
Never really liked Roger Ebert anyway. Why is he considered such an authority on... everything related to entertainment?

 And noone's ever insulted me for being a gamer. Realize that most of the US teen population plays Halo (oh, sorry to stereotype) for at least an hour a day. "Gamer" is no longer a wierdo, it's the norm. So I don't understand what you guys are getting at. Maybe you have your own stereotype of what a nerd is, and you fit it, but no need to fear. You spend as much time at a computer as "normal" people.

As for socialization, never was a priority for me, FRED is plenty to explore for me. What's with you guys?  :p

 

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Re: What annoys you about non-gamers?
My problem isn't really with the stereotype, I'm hoping to work in the programming industry, though, probably not games unless I'm lucky/unfortunate (depending on how you look at it), so the knock-on effect of politicians clambering to grandstand over the Virginia Tech shootings etc has a negative effect on the infustry.

 

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Re: What annoys you about non-gamers?
Is Robert Epert the guy with the stupid comics? Because I hate that pretentious windbag.

 

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Re: What annoys you about non-gamers?
some think we are idiots dispite the fact that we are the ones that fix there computers. they think that we are not athletic when alot of us are. they think that [slogan] games kill brains! [\slogan]

 

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Re: What annoys you about non-gamers?
That's the one I hate the most. And I agree with what Shade says, socializing cant be defined this narrowly but almost all people who I've spoken about this cant understand something so simple. Two other classic ones are: "Games are for kids" and "Games are stupid/You dont learn anything from this". I swear, I already had entire discussions of various subjects like about philosophy, society, etc simply from something I saw on games like MGS (specially MGS2) and so on.

Me too. A...15 years old girl told me "You still play with your videogames? You're too old " :blah:

About MGS...I had some discussions about the themes of the game. Sometimes it goes beyond the reality, but there are some...real or possible things in that series you can talk about.
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Re: What annoys you about non-gamers?
Ebert is one of the few movie reviewers I actually agree with most of the time, but naturally he has an extremely inflated view of film in general.
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Re: What annoys you about non-gamers?
The people who annoy me most with relation to games are politicians, particularly older ones, but sometimes not that have never played a video game before, have no concept of what said video game is, and have demonized every single video game on the planet because "its bad for the children!!!" which of course is a gross simplification and not unlike a similar view taken of Rock and Roll from the 1960's.  Its a phase...we'll eventually get out of it when the decision makers also grew up playing video games.

Generally speaking my age group (now in the 20-29 bracket) has played video games....lots of them...all the time...as a normal fact of entertainment life.  When I was young it was odd for someone to play video games but everyone is playing them now.  On PC, console, whatever...its hard to find a guy that hasn't played <insert game here>.  Not everyone is a hardcore FreeSpace or StarCraft or Oblivion or World of WarCraft player...but most people enjoy a good game and probably own at least one console.  Its the vastly older people who are more "out of the loop" on the video game phenomenon and culture.  Some of them are scared of it...most are intrigued from a distance like my parents.  My parents understand video games, occasionally try and play them, but its not really their thing.

I know there is research on the subject but I'm fairly certain that younger people have a brain evolved for dealing with video games and the abstract interaction between control and screen.  Most in their 40s and 50s didn't grow up with it and simply don't have that brain structure.  Most of them thought TV was a newfangled gadget...there's good research on how the generational gaps are somewhat significant.
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Offline Polpolion

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Re: What annoys you about non-gamers?
I remember when I was in second grade, two people I knew had borrowed each other's games, and one of them said  "Dude, how do I install this? That thing doesn't come up when I put the CD in." So I interjected "click on the icon "my computer", then click on your CD drive, then look for a file named SETUP." Then he shouted at me "How am I supposed to remember that? I'm not a computer geek like you!"



I almost died laughing,

 

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Re: What annoys you about non-gamers?
ROFL.  Should've spared him the trouble & told him to use the cmd line.  :lol:

 

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Re: What annoys you about non-gamers?
I remember when I was in second grade, two people I knew had borrowed each other's games, and one of them said  "Dude, how do I install this? That thing doesn't come up when I put the CD in." So I interjected "click on the icon "my computer", then click on your CD drive, then look for a file named SETUP." Then he shouted at me "How am I supposed to remember that? I'm not a computer geek like you!"



I almost died laughing,

In all fairness, you were in second grade. That's like seven years old. I'm surprised you knew that at that age, and understood the steps.
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