[an0n]

Farscape:
Nothing ever goes right. It has Claudia Black (there's a dood making a 3d model of her  ). Talyn was cool. Wormhole effects rawk.

Stargate:
They never get any useable technology and when they do, theres a catch. The Goa'uld are one of the most evil villains since the Daeliks (sp?). Has Amanda Tapping. Has scantily clad Vanessa Angel :drool:.

Enterprise:
They get their asses whooped. Less smug superiority than other series. Has Jolene Blalock being rubbed up and down in her under garments :drool:.

Babylon 5:
Friends are enemies. Enemies are friends. Really brutal wars. Basically it's the West Wing in space. Brought to light Claudia Christans other ventures.

Deep Space 9:
Showed that if it came down to it, the Federation would commit genocide to win a war. Very, very good stories. Had Terry Farrell. And the Dominion attack ships were uber-cool.

TNG:
Was ****  at the beginning but got better. Still a little too stuffy for my liking. It did introduce the Borg though.

Voyager:
Excellent effects towards the end. Once more showed that given enough of a reason, the Federation would do anything to succeed. Had far too much Prime Directive crap.

TOS:
Kirk was a true hero. A woman in every port and never a child (excluding films). Good, if a little extreme, stories. However it cannot be excused for introducing the Prime friggin Directive.

Andromeda:
First series was good but can see it starting to waiver. Has Lexa Doig and that blonde woman. Neitzchiens rawk.

Crusade:
After watching some re-runs I think I may have judged it too harshly. However there is very little needless nudity and I still don't like Gideon. He should get the plague and die.

No main character has ever properly died in Star Trek except for Kirk. Dax was put in a new host. Yar came back as Sela. Kes just disappeared. Sisko went to the prophets. Dukat got stuck in the fire-caves. I suppose Kai Winn did die but she was more of a recurring character. They shoulda had Voyager exploding with that damn sphere.

[Nico]

from what I have seen from Andromeda, it had nice effects, but the plot was... huh, terrible

[Fineus]

One thing I'd like to point out with ST at this point was that you have to bear in mind what was going on in real life when elements of it were concieved. For instance TOS had the striving for world peace/understanding and getting along in it - whereas more recently ST has become concerned with winning the ratings and the way to do that is combat. Hence Voyagers many fights with aliens, DS9s war and so on - people like the violence these days but back when TOS was written the idea of peace and hope for the future was more important than fighting.

Thats how I see it anyways  

[an0n]

I hate how TOS had all these worlds filled with beings of unimaginable power and other worlds filled with civilizations exactly like Ancient Rome but in TNG, VOY and DS9 you never hear anything about them. Pretty much ever planet in the later series is filled with aliens but TOS had humans all over the place. How the hell they got there is another matter entirely but they killed continuity from TOS. Although I suppose it would have been extremely hard to include all the wierd stuff TOS encountered in the newer series.

[Fineus]

It's a good point - although obviously budget limited what we saw in TOS - you'd think a lot more "human" worlds would feature - at least in TNG and DS9 (although Voyager is obviously in a different sector of space that "humans" haven't visited properly).

Personally I think it'd be nice to have a few more "unique" races, DS9 and Voyager kinda settled into having a few large species holding all the space we see - there should be more diverse groups of people, even if a lot of them are human or whatever - some variety would be nice instead of just "Federation, Klingon, Romulan, Borg etc..."

[an0n]

Yeah, they should show stuff like the Kretonin Guard and the Krenim and stuff. Although I suppose it's a little bit costly to have 30 special alien mask made for one of two episodes.

[ZylonBane]

 

Originally posted by an0n:
Stargate:
They never get any useable technology and when they do, theres a catch.

Demonstrably false. Stargate is the best SF series I've ever seen for internal consistency in this regard, unlike Trek, where every cool new gadget is conveniently forgotten by next week. The SG teams have found and made recurring use of Zaks (the pop-up snake-head guns), naquita reactors, and the second Stargate, and quite a few seemingly one-shot gizmos have had repeat appearances, like the gun that reveals cloaked enemies, or the parallel-dimension transporter. That's one of the reasons I love this show... if there's a situation they could get out of using something they found in a previous episode, they'll do it... or at the very least, acknowledge the gizmo and explain why it wouldn't work in this situation.  
 

No main character has ever properly died in Star Trek except for Kirk.

I think you mean Spock. Kirk had a sucky death in a sucky movie.

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[an0n]

But Spock came right back. Kirk is the only character (main character) who has died properly and stayed dead.

Wow, SG-1 has a few Goa'uld guns. Any major technology is just out of reach or they have to give it back because someone gets pissed at them. Although recently this has changed somewhat, fuelling the belief that next series will see all out war with the Goa'uld.

[Starwing]

At least he stayed death in the official canon. In some ST novels (written by Shatner himself) he was resurrected by some strange Romulan-Borg alliance :rolleyes

[an0n]

I've got that book. Its called The Return or something. But he dies in that as well. You learn like 2 pages into it that the technology used to resurrect him was flawed.

[Starwing]

No, he will come back. I never read this particular book, but I read something like he was rescued by Hugh and his group. They removed the Borg technology from his body.

[KillMeNow]

i agree entirely that consistancy is one fo the things stargate does best - even how the closed the gate to the balckhoel - and how the managed to resuce o'niel notice they didn't suddenly forget that if the gate was burried prooperly it would not even going to open but they worked out a reason why it would still work and using a a technology used against them they worked out how to open teh gate properly - nope its done very well - and it is done without a true sci fi fealling - very good indeed

[ZylonBane]

 

Originally posted by KillMeNow:
and it is done without a true sci fi fealling - very good indeed

Odd, I always thought a "true sci fi feeling" in science fiction was a GOOD thing.

[KillMeNow]

what i mean is that it feels possible - ok they ahve tech we dont have - but not when the show started other than the gate itself all tech was very real and even what they use mostly is still stuff we have today - they aren't running around with phasers etc - they occasioanlly take zats but thats it - and the fact that its possible adds a new level to it - i mean i live true sci fi too like star trek and b5 - i quite like the enterprise show cuase while its not tech we have its so far behind that of the tng and dsn adn voyager what we are used to from trek  that it feels far closer to what we can do that and there fumbling around the universe getting into conflicts with races far superior than they are - i think it was the second epeisode and tehy fire some pathetic torpedo at a ship adn it just bounce off there sheilds and the fact they ahve no shileds - seems liek perhaps we might get there someday where as the old treks they were so perfect  we never did anything wrong all humans were nice and never disoybed orders etc and we didn't all work just for the good of mankind etc

[Zeronet]

Enterprise is funny too. Its probably so far one of the best ST series.

[an0n]

I think Nemesis (ST: Movie X) should have a nice war with the Borg in it. It's got the Romulans in and everyone seems to think the Romulans and the Borg wuold team up eventually. There should be a coupla hundred cubes appearing all over the Federation and they have to resort to kamikazi attacks to repel them. It'd be nice to see a Sovereign ramming a tactical cube.

[Nico]

What's the ST movie with a gigantic alien ship in it ( the frying pan even seems to fly in it )? I've just seen a trailer of that on TV, I'd like to get a shot at it...

[Ryx]

 

Originally posted by venom2506:
What's the ST movie with a gigantic alien ship in it ( the frying pan even seems to fly in it )? I've just seen a trailer of that on TV, I'd like to get a shot at it...

Either ST: The Motion Picture or ST IV: The Voyage Home.

[Bobboau]

from the description I'd have to say you're talking about V'ger from ST1

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[Nico]

dunno, it's a huge ship (you see only small parts of it), with lots of glowing stuff.