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Offline blackhole

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Re: Command is quite stupid. Why do they even use Beams? So ineffective.
I personally think nitpicking a game's logic is pointless. A game is balanced, and that always means limitations that don't seem to make sense. And thats because game's are supposed to be balanced - real life isn't.

 

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Re: Command is quite stupid. Why do they even use Beams? So ineffective.
The thing is, if we fast forward anti-shipping technology to those kinds of levels, then you'd still have to balance off the playing field by upping the equivalent defences in order to keep the game balanced. Personally, I wouldn't fancy flying an interceptor anywhere near a ship capable of taking out fast bombs, something as big as my ship would be toast.

Edit: Basically, what Blackhole just said :)

 
Re: Command is quite stupid. Why do they even use Beams? So ineffective.
Fine.
Its a conspiracy!
Command has the ETAK before the great war, and the Vasudans, Terrans, and Shivans dumbed down their technology so that the war is balanced.
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Re: Command is quite stupid. Why do they even use Beams? So ineffective.
perhaps GTVA scientists are more capable then you give them credit! :D
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Re: Command is quite stupid. Why do they even use Beams? So ineffective.
Jeez... Maybe its just cooler to have big beams and crap. I believe the launching mechanism for the bombs is the bomb itself. So as long as the ship can carry the bombs, it'll work. For any large ship to fire bombs, it has to be at a safe distance. Imagine how the Psamtak would of been if it had to use bombs instead of beams on the Belisarius. At a safe distance, the bombs can be easily shot down and can even do damage to the ship launching the bombs. The thing about bombs is, they're used as a tactical weapon although the Harbinger was said to be used as a planetary bombardment warhead.

So to overcome this difficulty, bombers are developed to deploy the bombs. In addition, multiple wings of bombers can be used for multiple missions where a single destroyer can only be at one place at a time. A destroyer's two primary roles are, to exercise power (meaning to attack and show off your ship) and to carry fighter/bomber wings. Missiles can be evaded by counter-measures and the missile hard points on a destroyer can be easily destroyed.

Overall, beam weaponry may actually be cheaper to deploy then warheads because it doesn't require physical storage space where beams are probably stored as energy thoughout the entire ship. Also, having a bombs and missiles located near the outer hull is another bad issue. Taking out a single missile battery would comparable to setting off a small nuke right on the ship. Beams are less vunerable, cheaper in the long run, and have a much longer range.

 

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Re: Command is quite stupid. Why do they even use Beams? So ineffective.
A combo of Maxim Deimos and Trebuchet+Helios Deimos could pwn any ship. Except, perhaps the Lucifer.

And there's your problem. Command are stupid. Until the Shivans waltz in with a fleet of shielded capships and wipe out the GTVA for being so stupid as to not develop beam weapons.
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Re: Command is quite stupid. Why do they even use Beams? So ineffective.
ERm..I tihnk he was refering to standard terran turrets replaced with maxims and fighter-killers with trebs, not the beam cannons themselves... :)
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Re: Command is quite stupid. Why do they even use Beams? So ineffective.
ERm..I tihnk he was refering to standard terran turrets replaced with maxims and fighter-killers with trebs, not the beam cannons themselves... :)

The entire thread is a rant against the use of beams. What makes you think he would keep them?
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Re: Command is quite stupid. Why do they even use Beams? So ineffective.
Yeah.  I think that helios bombs shot at high-velocity are more effective than Beam cannons. Except BFRed. But Terrans dont have BFRed
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Re: Command is quite stupid. Why do they even use Beams? So ineffective.
But ALL bombs were ineffective against the Lucifer's shields. And Command was expecting to fight another Lucifer.
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Re: Command is quite stupid. Why do they even use Beams? So ineffective.
Yeah.  I think that helios bombs shot at high-velocity are more effective than Beam cannons. Except BFRed. But Terrans dont have BFRed

Because we all know that during the campaign we see helios bombs being shot at high-velocity all the time so we know that is possible.
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Re: Command is quite stupid. Why do they even use Beams? So ineffective.
Beams still fire faster than bombs.There are fighters, turrets to kill bombs, and Bombs are slow.
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Re: Command is quite stupid. Why do they even use Beams? So ineffective.
What I am saying is that a Deimos would have the capacity to launch a Deimos using a railgun or other mechanism. When firing from an Ursa, it uses thrusters ON the bomb. When fired from a Deimos with the correct mechanism, it can be launched at a few hundred m/s with no thrusters...
No need for lock-on. A Target the size of a Corvette can be dumb-fired upon... One Deimos with like 6 Helios-Launchers and Maxims instead of turrets would be very strong... A Few Trebbies for long-range maybe too.
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Re: Command is quite stupid. Why do they even use Beams? So ineffective.
What I am saying is that a Deimos would have the capacity to launch a Deimos using a railgun or other mechanism. When firing from an Ursa, it uses thrusters ON the bomb. When fired from a Deimos with the correct mechanism, it can be launched at a few hundred m/s with no thrusters...
No need for lock-on. A Target the size of a Corvette can be dumb-fired upon... One Deimos with like 6 Helios-Launchers and Maxims instead of turrets would be very strong... A Few Trebbies for long-range maybe too.

Then explain why the fusion mortar, the only weapon that slightly resembles what you are trying to propose, despite of it's small size, can only go at 100m/s. Also, the fact that the only two ships in the game can carry this weapon (the Fenris and Leviathan) were intended to be replaced by a ship that didn't carry this... "artifact" of the great war (the Aeolus) speaks for itself.
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Re: Command is quite stupid. Why do they even use Beams? So ineffective.
Personalyl, I see this as part of the game design and what the devs found looks cool, not any sense or logic behind it.

so I intend to have LOADS of weapons for caphips for my campaign..or all kinds..from fast torps, slow torps, beamz, blobs to ...something
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Re: Command is quite stupid. Why do they even use Blobs? So ineffective.
the real question is, why have blob turrets? so ineffective. they travel slow, do medicore damage, and miss any target smaller than a leviathan 90% of the time. as opposed to beams, which were a very nice addition too fs2. maybe volition is using content of HLP to build their own little game, and your convincing them beamz are bad  :shaking:.

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Re: Command is quite stupid. Why do they even use Beams? So ineffective.
You know what? Take out all the beams and replace them with Terran Turrets/Terran Huge Turrets. THAT'S why command uses beams. :rolleyes:

 

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Re: Command is quite stupid. Why do they even use Blobs? So ineffective.
the real question is, why have blob turrets? so ineffective. they travel slow, do medicore damage, and miss any target smaller than a leviathan 90% of the time. as opposed to beams, which were a very nice addition too fs2. maybe volition is using content of HLP to build their own little game, and your convincing them beamz are bad  :shaking:.

Yup...blobs suck in FS1 & 2..
Some campaigns did re-do them and actually made them inot very decent weapons :nod:
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Re: Command is quite stupid. Why do they even use Beams? So ineffective.
Beams are all glowy and shiny and they make my screen light up at night. ^_^

 
Re: Command is quite stupid. Why do they even use Beams? So ineffective.
Blob turrets aren't that bad. They're useful for shooting down bombs and I bet they use barely any energy at all. Since I'm assuming the blob turrets are same ones from FS1, they obviously won't use as much energy as newer weapons such as the Maxim or Subach 7. Now, if you were to replace all the blob turrets with Maxims, you can probably only replace about 1/4 of the blob turrets before the cruiser will be forced to fire in bursts since Maxims EAT energy like hell. Maybe half the original turret hardpoints with Subachs.