[Nuke]

I heard some experimental "artistic" music... sounded like someone was torturing a dozen cats while a elephant was stomping around a fine glass shop with a Saturn V rocket in his ass...

was it stallaggh?

[Unknown Target]

A lot of modern classical and Ambient I'm not all that fond of, most of them are pretty generic, just like most other genres at the moment, but every so often something special comes along like 5th Element or Aeon Flux soundtracks

Totally loved that latin-sounding number during the taxicab scene in the beginning

[achtung]

No excuse to identify with it for suburban white kids? Not quite. Granted I'm no longer either suburban or a kid, but then again, when I was I still did. The term your brain is probably trying to reject at this point in time is feel, I just happened to have the willingness to self-analyze and reach deeper than the lyrics for why I identified with it. My reason is hardly the only one; it just happens to be the only one I can explain to you, not being a party to anybody's decisions but my own.

I mean wiggers.  I don't like wiggers.  The kids/adults/people who take the rap seriously and want to BE what it describes.  You know the types of people I'm talking about.

[Scuddie]

One thing I think we can all agree upon is that cultural icons that glorify and encourage thug culture in children deserve to have their heads lopped off, whether it be rap, rock, hip-hop, or classical...?

With that said, it's time to purge the world of all the god rotten awful thug rap artists and try to look for some decent quality stuff.  Bone, Thugs, And Harmony is a prime example of what rap should have been today.  We need more pre-96 rappers.  That's not an opinion, it's a fact.

[Nuke]

i dont think more rappers is a solution to the problem.

while rap is totally void of decency, they are rather good at stroking the capitalist phallace. they only get away with it because theyre making so many people so much money. if varg had a multi billion dollar contract, he would probibly still be out there killing off his bandmates and lighting churches on fire.

[Mefustae]

I mean wiggers.  I don't like wiggers.  The kids/adults/people who take the rap seriously and want to BE what it describes.  You know the types of people I'm talking about.

But that's a good thing! Think about it: 50 years ago, African-Americans were widely thought of as second-class citizens. Nowadays, most white teenagers want to be African-American! If that ain't progress, I don't know what is.

[TrashMan]

Trashman, music is objective. Classical happens to put me to sleep, unless it has some stilleto-style violins. I'm sorry, but your argument (and the majority of the anti-rap arguments in this thread) amount to "Their music is inferior, mine is better. If they were enlightened like me they'd stop listening to their music and listen to mine."

Give it a rest folks. There's going to be a lot of things you happen to not like in the world, so just shut up and ignore them if they bother you that much. At the very least, stop calling for the abolishment of things you don't agree with (and yes I agree with the Jack Thomspon sentiment posted earlier by Kara).

"De gustum non discutabilis" - one does not discuss tastes....WRONG I bet whoever said that didn't want to discuss HIS tastes. Humans discuss everything - from everyday things to strnage phenomena, abstract concepts to even things as unfantomable as God... And you're tellimg me music tastes are out? 

If anything its one of the things that can be discussed - there are thing that can be quantified (at least approximately) in music - such as complexity, patterns, number of instruments, quality of vocals, "color" of the voice...things like that.

Things happen to have qualities and values regardless of what someone thinks of them..me or you. I don't like "War & Peace" for instance, but despite that I can't deny it's value.. So this isn't about "what I like", becosue there's many things I DON'T like or hate, but which HAVE a lot of worth in themselves which I cannot deny.
Some just don't.

So you are right..music IS OBJECTIVE

[Mefustae]

Totally loved that latin-sounding number during the taxicab scene in the beginning

Yeah, which I just discovered is the one damn track omitted from the soundtrack.

[NGTM-1R]

Since when did War & Peace have value? While my professors would probably want me burned at the stake for heresy, being an English major, the value of a literary work is totally subjective. (Or perhaps not, many of them seem to hold this view themselves.) War & Peace annoys me; Hemmingway annoys me; most great literary works annoy me. They are excellent writing from a technical standpoint, grammar, spelling, and soforth. But the things I tend to lump under the catchall term "storytelling" mostly aren't worth a damn. It baffles me deeply that I can generally find a more compelling story by about five minutes of random clicking on fanfiction.net.

Music cannot be objective, it must be subjective by the same token. Complexity cannot overcome poor execution; the best singer cannot save the worst lyrics, the worst singer cannot be saved by the best lyrics. As what constitutes best and worst in these situations is not something that can be assigned a concrete value, the question is subjective.

Unknown misspoke, perhaps. However you compounded the error to a ridiculous degree, Trash.

[Unknown Target]

Did I say objective? I meant subjective. I can't ever seem to type without making a snafu somewhere Looks like Trash took it and ran with it though

[TrashMan]

Music cannot be objective, it must be subjective by the same token. Complexity cannot overcome poor execution; the best singer cannot save the worst lyrics, the worst singer cannot be saved by the best lyrics. As what constitutes best and worst in these situations is not something that can be assigned a concrete value, the question is subjective.

But you cna give it an approximate value. No, it's not nearly subjective as you think. Sure, since everyone has OPPINIONS about it it appears subjective, but people have oppinions about pretty much everything. Sume things jsut are..no matter how much we have it or adore it, it's inital value remains the same..maby it does not appear so to us....

[Unknown Target]

So what makes your opinion more valid than everyone else's?

[TrashMan]

My oppinion is something completely different.
There are songs I personally hate, but that I would still HAVE to rate high, simply becosue they deserve to...

I'm trying to base my rating on as objective and scientific principles as possible.

[Col. Fishguts]

The logic of your argument reminds me why you got your current personal title.

[karajorma]

There are songs I personally hate, but that I would still HAVE to rate high, simply becosue they deserve to...

But why do they deserve it? Because of your subjective rating about their worth.

[Mars]

I mean wiggers.  I don't like wiggers.  The kids/adults/people who take the rap seriously and want to BE what it describes.  You know the types of people I'm talking about.

But that's a good thing! Think about it: 50 years ago, African-Americans were widely thought of as second-class citizens. Nowadays, most white teenagers want to be African-American! If that ain't progress, I don't know what is.

Yes watching Eminem gives me warm fuzzies.

[Blaise Russel]

bunch of white boys all up in this thread



 

[TrashMan]

The logic of your argument reminds me why you got your current personal title.

Insults will get you nowhere...I'm immune to them..

But why do they deserve it? Because of your subjective rating about their worth.

When's the last time you analyzed a song? And is it subjective? How do you know?

[Unknown Target]

Insults will get you nowhere...I'm immune to them..

That and logic.

When's the last time you analyzed a song? And is it subjective? How do you know?

Mind telling us what these oh so holy and correct analyzing of yours are? What are your categories, ratings, etc etc? And why they all come to the conclusion that all rap sucks?

[castor]

Sure, music can be analyzed. Just like we can analyze a person by weighing the ingredients..