[S-99]

That reminds me of my first theory where a shivan virus over writes the herc 2 computers of kappa wing giving them sentience like sky-net in terminator. The only difference is that the herc 2's want to reproduce. I didn't think it actually happened when kappa wing was out of range, and start making some hull friction.

Well anyway it's a good guess for what any ship and mission from V and us will be doing...ships mating/colliding before something big happens even if it isn't buggy. However the real winner is when capships collide

The possibility that kappa was ntf is a good possibility. Ntf was in the nebula months or weeks ahead of the gtva, the ntf had a decent amount of ships in there. Especially when considering the colossus sabotage when the iceni escaped. The ntf had a ton of spies, the gtva i don't think had nearly as many as the ntf.

[Kie99]

If I'd been making that mission I'd have had the player get annihilated by "A Beam from Unknown", Unknown having just appeared 5km away.

[Fang_Taichou]

That reminds me of my first theory where a shivan virus over writes the herc 2 computers of kappa wing giving them sentience like sky-net in terminator. The only difference is that the herc 2's want to reproduce. I didn't think it actually happened when kappa wing was out of range, and start making some hull friction.

Well anyway it's a good guess for what any ship and mission from V and us will be doing...ships mating/colliding before something big happens even if it isn't buggy. However the real winner is when capships collide

The possibility that kappa was ntf is a good possibility. Ntf was in the nebula months or weeks ahead of the gtva, the ntf had a decent amount of ships in there. Especially when considering the colossus sabotage when the iceni escaped. The ntf had a ton of spies, the gtva i don't think had nearly as many as the ntf.

The NTF did not have 'a decent amount' of ships.  The NTC Trinity was only there after Bosch send them to activate the Knossos in Gamma Draconis (Bosch learned of its location & how to turn it on after he plundered and studied Ancient artifacts in Deneb).  The only other NTF ships that reached the nebula besides the Iceni was the NTC Alexandria and the NTT Grall.

Seriously, I can't see Kappa wing as NTF spies.  How would they serve the NTF by being a part of that patrol?

[S-99]

Seriously, I can't see Kappa wing as NTF spies.  How would they serve the NTF by being a part of that patrol?

By running away

[Shadow124]

What if, deep within the nebula, maybe through the 4th knossos, maybe even deeper, there is....................something WORSE BY FAR than the sathanus?

[Bob-san]

My question is how do they survive for weeks or months without food, water, contact, or a shower? No seriously--how would they go without a shower? I'd imagine that Kappa 1 and Kappa 2's B.O. killed them. Remember they don't have food, they don't have water, and they don't have a good way to get rid of waste.

[Hades]

I would not want to clean Kappa 3's fighter.

[Bob-san]

Luckily it blew up--probably from the radio short-circuiting and igniting the toxic gases from Kappa 3's pilot.

[Excalibur]

Mabye that's what he was screaming about

[jediben20]

That reminds me of my first theory where a shivan virus over writes the herc 2 computers of kappa wing giving them sentience like sky-net in terminator. The only difference is that the herc 2's want to reproduce. I didn't think it actually happened when kappa wing was out of range, and start making some hull friction.

Well anyway it's a good guess for what any ship and mission from V and us will be doing...ships mating/colliding before something big happens even if it isn't buggy. However the real winner is when capships collide

The possibility that kappa was ntf is a good possibility. Ntf was in the nebula months or weeks ahead of the gtva, the ntf had a decent amount of ships in there. Especially when considering the colossus sabotage when the iceni escaped. The ntf had a ton of spies, the gtva i don't think had nearly as many as the ntf.

The NTF did not have 'a decent amount' of ships.  The NTC Trinity was only there after Bosch send them to activate the Knossos in Gamma Draconis (Bosch learned of its location & how to turn it on after he plundered and studied Ancient artifacts in Deneb).  The only other NTF ships that reached the nebula besides the Iceni was the NTC Alexandria and the NTT Grall.

Seriously, I can't see Kappa wing as NTF spies.  How would they serve the NTF by being a part of that patrol?

The fact that Bosch learned of the 1st knossos' location and how to active it from Ancient artifacts is obvious. But, how did he know it was in Gamma Draconis itself. Is it likely that the Ancients just happen to refer to GD as "Gamma Draconis" in GT English? Was there an Ancient map of jumpnodes? The 3rd monologue seems to imply that Bosch did not know where or why that knossos portal led to the nebula, although he knew it was a supernova remnant.  but it seems clear enough that he believed that it would lead to the Shivans (hence forming an alliance with them).

now answering what happens to Kappa wing is frustrating because we don't know enough about what the Trinity was supposed to do and what it actually did. I am not convinced that the second and third knossos was already and always active. in any case, it seems unlikely that there would have been any way to just find it without exactly precise coordinates.

If Kappa wing had been infiltrated by the NTF , they could have been aware of the Trinity. If they found it and they became aware of what had or hadn't been done, they may have done a lot of recon. I don't think they were in the nebula for THAT long, but if they were, there is no evidence that only the trinity was sent in. maybe they coordinated with another NTF vessel that had been sent in with the trinity.

[wdarkk]

If I'd been making that mission I'd have had the player get annihilated by "A Beam from Unknown", Unknown having just appeared 5km away.

That might make it hard to complete the mission. Or do you mean Kappa 3 getting blasted by "Unknown"?

[karajorma]

What if, deep within the nebula, maybe through the 4th knossos, maybe even deeper, there is....................something WORSE BY FAR than the sathanus?

If there is Kappa Wing wouldn't know about it. They only had in-system jump drives after all.

[Kie99]

If I'd been making that mission I'd have had the player get annihilated by "A Beam from Unknown", Unknown having just appeared 5km away.

That might make it hard to complete the mission. Or do you mean Kappa 3 getting blasted by "Unknown"?

No, the player, if he gets too close to the Disappear waypoint.  Would have been better than having Kappa wing just fly into each other over and over.

[Grizzly]

Virus in the computers of the herc's? This is Freespace! Not Battlestar Galactica!

[S-99]

Virus in the computers of the herc's? This is Freespace! Not Battlestar Galactica!

Yeah and it's a shivan virus that makes the ships want to reproduce.

[nubbles526]

Well, someone can make a non-canon mission starting from here...

But it's kind of ridiocolous, since:
1. You could have just jumped
2. Go back the old route
3. At least stay in one position

But the surprising thing is how come none of the scouts discovered them?

[Snail]

How about a campaign about Kappa's experiences after being lost? Kappa 3 decides to try and find the GTVA, but the player gets to explore past the third Knossos or something sweet like that...

[Jeff Vader]

How about a campaign about Kappa's experiences after being lost? Kappa 3 decides to try and find the GTVA, but the player gets to explore past the third Knossos or something sweet like that...

That'd be cool, except that intersystem subspace drives for fighters aren't cheap, which leads to the conclusion that Kappa wing are SOC operatives. Which in return brings us the point of view, that maybe they were SOC operatives in the first place, doing some dastardly deeds in the nebula for some higher purpose, while deliberately disobeying Command's orders to patrol their designated area in the nebula.

[Snail]

Hmm... True. So perhaps the player goes on some other crusade (without exiting the nebula).

[nubbles526]

What is it now? Shivans crusading against...(Ancients?!)

I don't think crusading is the right word...