[dbtkenny]

Hi I hope some can help me with this. I am to start work on the last Boiwar campaign, a campaign set I start a long time a go. I can do this now as now there are the ancient ship I need out there to fish the campaign off. I am trying to use the ancient ships from the Inferno campaign. I can get but two to work, AB Satyr and the AB Atties. When I open FRED I get some error to do with names of subsystem and a few other errors. Removing these ships from the ships.tbl file stops the errors from coming up.

I have unpacked all the files from the inferno campaign into there directories but I am still getting the same errors. I have looked at the ship tables but I must me missing something or some files some where does any one how to these ship to work?

[Dark Hunter]

Which version of FRED you using? Open? And if so, which version of Open?

Actually, I have no idea why they wouldn't be working... they were designed for retail...!!!! IDEA!

Check the table entries for tags that say $ND or something like that. Those should be deleted if you're using Open.

[dbtkenny]

hi i am using fred2_open_3_6_9.exe with the lastest open freespace as well. I look for the $ND and see if they have any.

[Titan]

Ah, the ND thing would explain why (was it the copernicus?) isn't working. i saw those in teh tbl

[dbtkenny]

Nope there are no $ND enters in the ship.tbl file I have edit the AB Satyr to look more like the AB Zakros which does work but this has not helped me.
Here is the AB Satyr table stands now.

$Name: AB Satyr
$Short name: ABomb3
$Species: Terran
+Type: XSTR("Attack Bomber", -1)
+Maneuverability: XSTR("Extremely Poor", -1)
+Armor: XSTR("Super Heavy", -)
+Manufacturer: XSTR("Ancients.", -1)
+Description: XSTR( " ", -1)
$end_multi_text
+Tech Description:
XSTR("The Satyr is so heavily armored a ship that it requires no shields at all. Even larger than the Shivans' Vindhyachal, this obscenely sized bomber even has its own beam cannon to engage capital ships with. An anti-hull weapon combined with the ACM should be used to take advantage of its total lack of shielding.", -1)
$end_multi_text
+Length: 100 m
+Gun Mounts: 8
+Missile Banks: 3
$POF file: Satyr.pof
$Detail distance: (0, 200)
$Show damage: YES
$Density: 1
$Damp: 0.3
$Rotdamp: 0.27
$Max Velocity: 0.0, 0.0, 95.0
$Rotation time: 3.5, 3.5, 3.5
$Rear Velocity: 0.0
$Forward accel: 1.0
$Forward decel: 0.5
$Slide accel: 0.0
$Slide decel: 0.0
$Expl inner rad: 25.0
$Expl outer rad: 55.0
$Expl damage: 15.0
$Expl blast: 400.0
$Expl Propagates: NO
$Shockwave Speed: 0.0
$Allowed PBanks: ( "Pharnec" "APC" "Razor" "Scalpel" "Acolyte " "Maul" "Quasar" "Scyth" "Hammer" "Vampyre" )
$Allowed Dogfight PBanks: ( "" )
$Default PBanks: ( "Pharnec" "Pharnec" )
$Allowed SBanks: ( "Unknown Missile" "Unknown Megabomb" "Unknown Megabomb" )
$Allowed Dogfight SBanks: ("")
$Default SBanks: ( "Unknown Missile" "Unknown Megabomb" "Unknown Megabomb" )
$SBank Capacity: ( 200, 200, 300 )
$Shields: 0
;$Shield Color: 255 255 75
$Power Output: 2.0
$Max Oclk Speed: 120.0
$Max Weapon Eng: 100.0
$Hitpoints: 12400
$Flags: ( "player_ship" "bomber" )
$AI Class: Captain
$Afterburner: YES
 +Aburn Max Vel: 0.0, 0.0, 195.0
 +Aburn For accel: 0.7
 +Aburn Fuel: 400.0
 +Aburn Burn Rate: 40.0
 +Aburn Rec Rate: 25.0
$Countermeasures: 20
$Scan time: 2000
$EngineSnd: 128
$Closeup_pos: 0.0, 0.0, -120
$Closeup_zoom: 0.5
$Shield_icon: genericshield
$Ship_icon: IconVesuvius
$Ship_anim: ssvesuvius
$Ship_overhead: LoadVesuvius
$Score: 12
$Trail:
 +Offset: 0 5.5 -42.0
 +Start Width: 0.25
 +End Width: 0.05
 +Start Alpha: 1.0
 +End Alpha: 0.0
 +Max Life: 1.0
 +Spew Time: 120
 +Bitmap: Contrail01
$Trail:
 +Offset: 55.0 7.0 -25.0
 +Start Width: 0.25
 +End Width: 0.05
 +Start Alpha: 1.0
 +End Alpha: 0.0
 +Max Life: 1.0
 +Spew Time: 120
 +Bitmap: Contrail01
$Trail:
 +Offset: -55.0 7.0 -25.0
 +Start Width: 0.25
 +End Width: 0.05
 +Start Alpha: 1.0
 +End Alpha: 0.0
 +Max Life: 1.0
 +Spew Time: 120
 +Bitmap: Contrail01
$Subsystem: communication, 10, 0.0
$Subsystem: navigation, 10, 0.0
$Subsystem: weapons, 20, 0.0
$Subsystem: sensors, 10, 0.0
$Subsystem: engine, 35, 0.0
$Subsystem: turret01,1,1.0
 $Default PBanks: ( "Quasar" )
$Subsystem: turret02,1,1.0
 $Default PBanks: ( "Quasar" )
$Subsystem: turret03,1,1.0
 $Default PBanks: ( "Quasar" )
$Subsystem: turret04,1,1.0
 $Default PBanks: ( "Quasar" )


And hear is the original table

$Name: AB Satyr
$Short name: ABomb3
$Species: Vasudan
+Type: XSTR("Attack Bomber", -1)
+Maneuverability: XSTR("Extremely Poor", -1)
+Armor: XSTR("Super Heavy", -)
+Manufacturer: XSTR("Ancients.", -1)
+Description: XSTR( " ", -1)
$end_multi_text
+Tech Description:
XSTR("The Satyr is so heavily armored a ship that it requires no shields at all. Even larger than the Shivans' Vindhyachal, this obscenely sized bomber even has its own beam cannon to engage capital ships with. An anti-hull weapon combined with the ACM should be used to take advantage of its total lack of shielding.", -1)
$end_multi_text
+Length: 100 m
+Gun Mounts: 8
+Missile Banks: 3
$POF file: Satyr.pof
$Detail distance: (0, 200)
$Show damage: YES
$Density: 1
$Damp: 0.3
$Rotdamp: 0.27
$Max Velocity: 0.0, 0.0, 95.0
$Rotation time: 3.5, 3.5, 3.5
$Rear Velocity: 0.0
$Forward accel: 1.0
$Forward decel: 0.5
$Slide accel: 0.0
$Slide decel: 0.0
$Expl inner rad: 25.0
$Expl outer rad: 55.0
$Expl damage: 15.0
$Expl blast: 400.0
$Expl Propagates: NO
$Shockwave Speed: 0.0
$Allowed PBanks: ( "Pharnec" "APC" "Razor" "Scalpel" "Acolyte " "Maul" "Quasar" "Scyth" "Hammer" "Vampyre" )
$Allowed Dogfight PBanks: ( "" )
$Default PBanks: ( "Pharnec" "Quasar" )
$Allowed SBanks: ( "Unknown Missile" "Unknown Megabomb" "Unknown Ultra Bomb" )
$Allowed Dogfight SBanks: ("")
$Default SBanks: ( "Unknown Missile" "Unknown Ultra Bomb" "Unknown Ultra Bomb" )
$SBank Capacity: ( 200, 200, 300 )
$Shields: 0
;$Shield Color: 255 255 75
$Power Output: 2.0
$Max Oclk Speed: 120.0
$Max Weapon Eng: 100.0
$Hitpoints: 12400
$Flags: ( "player_ship" "fighter" )
$AI Class: Captain
$Afterburner: YES
 +Aburn Max Vel: 0.0, 0.0, 195.0
 +Aburn For accel: 0.7
 +Aburn Fuel: 400.0
 +Aburn Burn Rate: 40.0
 +Aburn Rec Rate: 25.0
$Countermeasures: 20
$Scan time: 2000
$EngineSnd: 128
$Closeup_pos: 0.0, 0.0, -120
$Closeup_zoom: 0.5
$Shield_icon: genericshield
$Ship_icon: IconVesuvius
$Ship_anim: ssvesuvius
$Ship_overhead: LoadVesuvius
$Score: 12
$Subsystem: communication, 10, 0.0
$Subsystem: navigation, 10, 0.0
$Subsystem: weapons, 20, 0.0
$Subsystem: sensors, 10, 0.0
$Subsystem: engine, 35, 0.0
$Subsystem: turret01,1,1.0
 $Default PBanks: ( "ABeamTiny" )
$Subsystem: turret02,1,1.0
 $Default PBanks: ( "Scyth" )
$Subsystem: turret03,1,1.0
 $Default PBanks: ( "Quasar" )
$Subsystem: turret04,1,1.0
 $Default PBanks: ( "Quasar" )
$Trail:
 +Offset: 0 5.5 -42.0
 +Start Width: 0.25
 +End Width: 0.05
 +Start Alpha: 1.0
 +End Alpha: 0.0
 +Max Life: 1.0
 +Spew Time: 120
 +Bitmap: Contrail01
$Trail:
 +Offset: 55.0 7.0 -25.0
 +Start Width: 0.25
 +End Width: 0.05
 +Start Alpha: 1.0
 +End Alpha: 0.0
 +Max Life: 1.0
 +Spew Time: 120
 +Bitmap: Contrail01
$Trail:
 +Offset: -55.0 7.0 -25.0
 +Start Width: 0.25
 +End Width: 0.05
 +Start Alpha: 1.0
 +End Alpha: 0.0
 +Max Life: 1.0
 +Spew Time: 120
 +Bitmap: Contrail01

$Name: AB Attis
$Short name: Abomb1
$Species: Vasudan
+Type: XSTR("Medium Bomber", -1)
+Maneuverability: XSTR("Average", -1)
+Armor: XSTR("Very Heavy", -1)
+Manufacturer: XSTR("Ancients", -1)
+Description: XSTR(" ", -1)
$end_multi_text
+Tech Description:
XSTR("The Attis appears to be an older design, perhaps in use when the Shivans slaughtered the Ancients eight thousand years ago. For a medium bomber, it is very heavily armored, but like all this species' ships, is totally unshielded.", -1)
$end_multi_text
+Length: 45 m
+Gun Mounts: 8
+Missile Banks: 3
$POF file: Attis.pof
$Detail distance: (0, 150, 550, 1300)
$Show damage: YES
$Density: 1
$Damp: 0.2
$Rotdamp: 0.55
$Max Velocity: 0.0, 0.0, 75.0
$Rotation time: 6.0, 6.0, 2.0
$Rear Velocity: 40.0
$Forward accel: 4.0
$Forward decel: 2.0
$Slide accel: 0.0
$Slide decel: 0.0
$Expl inner rad: 75.0
$Expl outer rad: 150.0
$Expl damage: 30.0
$Expl blast: 2000.0
$Expl Propagates: NO
$Shockwave Speed: 0.0
$Allowed PBanks: ( "Pharnec" "APC" "Razor" "Scalpel" "Acolyte " "Maul" "Quasar" "Scyth" "Hammer" "Vampyre" )
$Allowed Dogfight PBanks: ( "" )
$Default PBanks: ( "Pharnec" "Pharnec" )
$Allowed SBanks: ( "Unknown Missile" "Unknown Megabomb" )
$Allowed Dogfight SBanks: ("")
$Default SBanks: ( "Unknown Missile" "Unknown Megabomb" "Unknown Megabomb" )
$SBank Capacity: ( 75, 75, 70 )
$Shields: 0
;$Shield Color: 255 255 100
$Power Output: 4.5
$Max Oclk Speed: 90.0
$Max Weapon Eng: 250.0
$Hitpoints: 2400
$Flags: ( "player_ship" "bomber" )
$AI Class: Captain
$Afterburner: YES
 +Aburn Max Vel: 0.0, 0.0, 110.0
 +Aburn For accel: 0.7
 +Aburn Fuel: 200.0
 +Aburn Burn Rate: 80.0
 +Aburn Rec Rate: 25.0
$Countermeasures: 30
$Scan time: 2000
$EngineSnd: 127
$Closeup_pos: 0.0, 0.0, -69
$Closeup_zoom: 0.5
$Shield_icon: genericshield
$Ship_icon: IconVesuvius
$Ship_anim: ssvesuvius
$Ship_overhead: LoadVesuvius
$Score: 10
$Subsystem: communication, 10, 0.0
$Subsystem: navigation, 10, 0.0
$Subsystem: weapons, 20, 0.0
$Subsystem: sensors, 10, 0.0
$Subsystem: engine01, 35, 0.0
$Subsystem: engine02, 35, 0.0
$Subsystem: turret01,1,1.0
 $Default PBanks: ( "Quasar" )
$Trail:
 +Offset: 8.8 1.0 -4.0
 +Start Width: 0.25
 +End Width: 0.05
 +Start Alpha: 1.0
 +End Alpha: 0.0
 +Max Life: 1.0
 +Spew Time: 120
 +Bitmap: Contrail01
$Trail:
 +Offset: -8.8 1.0 -4.0
 +Start Width: 0.25
 +End Width: 0.05
 +Start Alpha: 1.0
 +End Alpha: 0.0
 +Max Life: 1.0
 +Spew Time: 120
 +Bitmap: Contrail01
$Trail:
 +Offset: 0.0 -0.4 -23.0
 +Start Width: 0.25
 +End Width: 0.05
 +Start Alpha: 1.0
 +End Alpha: 0.0
 +Max Life: 1.0
 +Spew Time: 120
 +Bitmap: Contrail01


I have change the race from Vasudan to Terran but it not this as I do this on all the ship. I have pof in the models directory and pcx are in the maps directory.

Can any see what is going on.

[Getter Robo G]

Ok, IF your tables work without the 2 ships, have you considered deleting the bothersome entries and copying a entry that works? Keep a copy of the original entry though. Make sure your duplicate altered entry now works fine with just name and model change and then slowly rebuild the original data, occasionally checking it still works as you put more of the original stats in.

If you end up restoring all stats and the table works success! If not, some where along the way you find a capatability error (Robotech has this problem as tables crash FSOpen even after deleting all $ND tags as well, couldn't SEE anything wrong, must be hidden corruption).

[dbtkenny]

yes i have removed them for now i was hoping to get working that all. could it be a missing file / files that is Causing the problem or corruption in a file.

could you send me the files i need for these ships so i can see if it a corruption in a file.
or is it a missing entery in a other *.tbl file