[Snail]

When the Typhoon entry was first written, all the GTA had was the Apollo with the ML16, MX50 and Fury.  I'd like to see someone take down an Orion with an Anubis.

Typhoon? Is that a new ship?

Back to topic however, the T-V war lasted 14 years and was a war of attrition, with both sides facing stalemate with rapidly depleting resources.  Although we now have moved forward 32 years, even with the advancement of technologies, we would be in the same situation.

I agree. It's either 1) one side wins quickly and completely annihilates the other or 2) war of attrition. Number 2 sounds a lot more plausible.

Which ironically, is what the current state of affairs is.  We are both nomads, searching for either a new home in the case of the Vasudans, or in our case, a way home.  It would make no sense to split as both sides would lose.  The GTVA General Assembly must be prepared to make concessions on both sides.

Agreed.

[lenard27]

When the Typhoon entry was first written, all the GTA had was the Apollo with the ML16, MX50 and Fury.  I'd like to see someone take down an Orion with an Anubis.

I don't think the GTA planned to attack a Typhon with an Apollo, just as I doubt the PVN planned on taking out an Orion with an Anubis.  What they were saying was that a Typhon could easily destroy an Orion-class destroyer

[Thor]

why it seems that the Vasudans are belittled.

Well if anything I made the argument that they are an honourable race...and that we'd backstab them if we had the chance.  what does that say about us?

[Marcus Vesper]

When the Typhoon entry was first written, all the GTA had was the Apollo with the ML16, MX50 and Fury.  I'd like to see someone take down an Orion with an Anubis.

Technically that was all your pilot had listed in the databank.  The absence of entries in the databank doesn't automatically infer it didn't exist until the entry was added, you just didn't have information about it.

[AlphaOne]

Well everyone believes that the Terrans would even be able to put up much of a fight! By this point in time we see the Vasudans as havyng the heavy armoured heavy hitter ships of the GTVA FLEET!

Whyle the terrans have the Hecate which is more of a C&C carrier/destroyer then a "pure bread" destroyer such as the Orion and the Hatshepsut! Also I'm not exactly sure about this but i believe the vasudans have a lot more corvettes then the terrans! also theyr beam weapons i tend to consider them better then terran ones beacause they have a lower recharge rate! Thus more damage overtime!

However it is also true that is such a war would happen it would result in severe casualties in both races! But overall the Vasudans with the more concentrated and somewhat superrior firepower and better developed economy would be able to wint the day! Also there are many new fighters that are GTVA advances not terran nor vasudan! So the tech is available to both of them!

One of the reasons why most of the new advances are presented as terran could be simply because the terran industry needed to be in charge in some areas in order to help it catch up with the vasundan one. You know political decisions to have the said weapons sistems constructed by a specific terran contractor instead of a vasudan one.

[ChronoReverse]

When the Typhoon entry was first written, all the GTA had was the Apollo with the ML16, MX50 and Fury.  I'd like to see someone take down an Orion with an Anubis.

I don't think the GTA planned to attack a Typhon with an Apollo, just as I doubt the PVN planned on taking out an Orion with an Anubis.  What they were saying was that a Typhon could easily destroy an Orion-class destroyer

The Eisenhower wasn't an Orion class I thought?  I thought I read somewhere that when the Orion was introduced, it restored the balance against the Typhon or something in that vein.

[AlphaOne]

Not true! When the first Typhoon appeared it took out an Orion and its entire fleet!

[ChronoReverse]

It wasn't specified that it was an Orion class.  It only says that it took out the GTD Eisenhower.  That might merely be the predecessor of the Orion class.


And is it really that hard to type Typhon?  What on earth is the Typhoon class?

[AllStarZ]

I'd say mutual fear of being both wiped out keeps the alliance together. They don't know if the Shivans are coming back. In fact if they both share at least one characteristic, it's that they fear xenocidal virtually unstoppable alien races.   

[Gamma_Draconis]

I'd say mutual fear of being both wiped out keeps the alliance together. They don't know if the Shivans are coming back. In fact if they both share at least one characteristic, it's that they fear xenocidal virtually unstoppable alien races.   

Who doesn't? Lol...

[TrashMan]

I don't think the GTA planned to attack a Typhon with an Apollo, just as I doubt the PVN planned on taking out an Orion with an Anubis.  What they were saying was that a Typhon could easily destroy an Orion-class destroyer

Rubbih. FS1 Orion pwns a Typhon. Sure, its' a dangerous craft, but Orion is better.

Remeber the tech room only said that when the first Typhon was sighted at Vega, it destroyed the Eisenhower and a few others ships.
It doesn't say HOW the ships were destroyed. Probably a ambush by hordes of fighters.
I very much doubt it that it just jumped in the middel of the terran fleet and started blasting.

[BengalTiger]

  What on earth is the Typhoon class?

It is the Russian OMGWTFLOLROTFLBBQOVERKILL equivalent of the SSBN Ohio:

[Jeff Vader]

So AlphaOne was indeed correct when he stated that a Typhoon took out an Orion and its entire fleet when it appeared for the first time.

[Snail]

Rubbih. FS1 Orion pwns a Typhon. Sure, its' a dangerous craft, but Orion is better.

Remeber the tech room only said that when the first Typhon was sighted at Vega, it destroyed the Eisenhower and a few others ships.
It doesn't say HOW the ships were destroyed. Probably a ambush by hordes of fighters.
I very much doubt it that it just jumped in the middel of the terran fleet and started blasting.

We don't know. The Orion could have been upgraded following the Vega Engagement.

[AllStarZ]

In any case, Orions carry a ridiculously small amount of turrets either way.

[TrashMan]

so does a typhon..What do you think I upturreted them for?

[Koth]

In fact all Freespace 1 ships carry a comparable small amount of armament. And it's only blobs! Watching capship fights in FS1 is boring as hell. Until the Lucifer or Hades (use your SSLs damnit!) jumps in.

[AlphaOne]

I could of sworn it was a Typhon (See now i get it ) that first took out an Orion class destroyer!

either way it is also true about the orions ridiculously low turret numbers. But in FS2 an Orion owns any destroyer class ships except for a Ravana. but then again its hard to imagine a destroyer capabvle of owning a Ravana head on. The fact remains that the Terran fleet has been weakened overall by the decomisioning of the last remaining Orions . Well not all of them but i remember it says that the Orion class was beeing phased out by the Hecate which to me equal a HUGE mistake.


The Vasudans had no choice in the matter theyr Typhon class could not handle the beam cannons that well so they did what they always do they made a new one to replace it. And i must say it the second most powerfull destroyer in the GTVA after the Orion. Well actualy it all depends on how you look at things.

[AllStarZ]

I'd say the Hatshepsut is the most powerful destroyer in the game because it is so well-balanced in terms of firepower compared to all others.

[Kosh]

Well from what I can see I'd have to say there would be a draw. Even if the Vasudan economy was larger, you can easily see in FS2 and FS1 that the Terrans were doing virtually all of the technological advances (Shielding [who stole it first?], better Weapons [the Vasudan weapons sucked so much they needed to steal the Avenger], Target Acquisition and Guidance Missiles, Stealth Fighters, AWACS [the Setekh sucks ass], Remote Beam Cannons, the list goes on).

In FS1 the Terrans made many, many important advancements, but in FS2 this wasn't so true. Most new technology was either Vasudan (Deimos reactors, beams, flak) or a joint development effort (meson bomb). Some things like stealth ships, awacs, TAG missiles go to the Terrans. RBC's are just an evolution of beam technology, nothing terribly groundbreaking.