[S-99]

Could The GTVA defeated the Sathanas fleet?

No
Because the title of this thread is grammatically incorrect

[Hades]

Could The GTVA defeated the Sathanas fleet?

No
Because the title of this thread is grammatically incorrect

80 juggs + 15(+) destroyers + 40(+) corvettes + 100(+) cruisers.
No freaking way the GTVA could defeat the Shivan fleet.

[Dark Hunter]

* Dark Hunter wonders where Hades got those figures.

[haloboy100]

the only canon information about the sath fleet was that there was +80 jugs.

[Agent_Koopa]

The thing is that one on one, in an ideal environment, a Sathanas is very easy to destroy, as long as you blast it for long enough. However, eighty juggernauts are going to sweep through whatever you have in no time, not to mention the huge fighter complement and warship support. In order to disarm a juggernaut, you need it to stay still for a while, and you need space from the hundreds of fighters bearing down on you. In addition, you need something to stop it from just cruising through your star systems and killing ur d00dz, so to speak. However, anything you put in front of it besides the Colossus is likely to get blasted to pieces within two seconds.

[S-99]

Could The GTVA defeated the Sathanas fleet?

No
Because the title of this thread is grammatically incorrect

Well the gtva could have had a chance (not a sure one) at defeating the sathanas fleet had they included the word "have" in the title "Could the GTVA defeated the Sathanas fleet?".

[Admiral_Stones]

Or even better, 'Could the GTVA defeat the Sathanas Fleet?'.

[Snail]

That paints a weird image in my mind. A Sathanas as a scout?

The Sathanas was not a scout, but it was simply nearer to the GTVA than the other Sathanes. When the Ravana was destroyed, the Sathanas decided to see what was going on through the Capella node, then it got destroyed by the Colossus.

[S-99]

Or even better, 'Could the GTVA defeat the Sathanas Fleet?'.

I like your motivation pilot

Now the challenge for the gtva against the sathanas fleet gets more literal and toughened up you see. Because the shivans don't talk. And as long as they don't talk we must defeat them with out grammatical success

[FreeSpaceFreak]

Or even better, 'Could the GTVA defeat the Sathanas Fleet?'.

I think you're making the same mistake here as the GTVA did when they decided to build the Colossus. They thought that the Shivans would return with more Lucifers... They didn't. IMHO, the Shivans will not return with Saths now. As said: Think bigger.
And I seriously doubt that the GTVA COULD HAVE DEFEATED the Sathanas fleet. Remember the rate at which they jumped in in 'Into the Lion's Den'? We simply didn't have enough beam cannons to stop that kind of invasion. Even disabling a Sath so the next one would crush into it would take too long (it has 8 big engines, IIRC) and it would certainly be too risky (Imagine you, in a Boanerges, being sandwiched between two Saths...)

[Snail]

If a Sathanas got stuck in the way, I don't think the Shivans would hesitate to either blow it out of the water or move it out of the way with a large tow-truck.

[S-99]

But, this is great. The first disable sath will sit there, and the next one will come through the node at like 200ms and ram the back of the disabled sath and probably take out it's forward beams in the process (the one that runs into the disabled one that is).

[Snail]

But, this is great. The first disable sath will sit there, and the next one will come through the node at like 200ms and ram the back of the disabled sath and probably take out it's forward beams in the process (the one that runs into the disabled one that is).

But it's much harder than that. The Sath has 6 engines, and by the time you've disabled all of them it's probably moved out of the way. Plus, the Shivans wouldn't hesitate to blow it up, as I said.

[S-99]

But it's much harder than that. The Sath has 6 engines, and by the time you've disabled all of them it's probably moved out of the way. Plus, the Shivans wouldn't hesitate to blow it up, as I said.

Well if and when a sath gets disabled in the right position. A warping in sath at 200ms for a brief time period isn't going to have enough time to destroy the sath right in front of it. The warping in sath will claw the disabled sath in the ass to the point where it will break off it's 4 pincers.

But this plan sounds nice in idea, but in application would take too much resources and time in something that in application would only take out 2 saths. The third one could just warp in because the disabled one is floating off into space from the impact of the crash with the other one being declawed and cruising along on it's mighty own way.

[Snail]

Well if and when a sath gets disabled in the right position. A warping in sath at 200ms for a brief time period isn't going to have enough time to destroy the sath right in front of it. The warping in sath will claw the disabled sath in the ass to the point where it will break off it's 4 pincers.

But this plan sounds nice in idea, but in application would take too much resources and time in something that in application would only take out 2 saths. The third one could just warp in because the disabled one is floating off into space from the impact of the crash with the other one being declawed and cruising along on it's mighty own way.

How can you disable them? Each of the engines is very strong, and there are six of them. It's a lot harder to disable a Sathanas than you think. Unless you have super-high-precision-Mjolnirs-which-can-move-around, then it's going to be very hard to do this in the long term.

The plan may be a nice idea, but as you said, it would only take out 2 Saths (which might actually only be heavily damaged and not destroyed), and you can't do it 40 times before the Shivans get the point. If you want to make a node/road block, then just put a load of Meson bombs in front of the node. Same result, much easier to apply.

[Kie99]

The plan may be a nice idea, but as you said, it would only take out 2 Saths (which might actually only be heavily damaged and not destroyed), and you can't do it 40 times before the Shivans get the point. If you want to make a node/road block, then just put a load of Meson bombs in front of the node. Same result, much easier to apply.

You can't do that 40 times over either.

[Snail]

Why not? You have enough meson bombs.

[S-99]

How can you disable them? Each of the engines is very strong, and there are six of them. It's a lot harder to disable a Sathanas than you think. Unless you have super-high-precision-Mjolnirs-which-can-move-around, then it's going to be very hard to do this in the long term.

The plan may be a nice idea, but as you said, it would only take out 2 Saths (which might actually only be heavily damaged and not destroyed), and you can't do it 40 times before the Shivans get the point. If you want to make a node/road block, then just put a load of Meson bombs in front of the node. Same result, much easier to apply.

I wasn't talking about the disabling of the sath's engines, i was just refering to what would happen after you were somehow able to do so. It's like i said, it sounds nice in idea, but it would take too much resources, and i guess i should have included a little too many casualties to achieve. No it would not destroy any of the two sath's. You would end up with one engineless sath, and a forward facing de-beamed sath that would keep going on it's marry way with it's engines. As far as the destroying part goes. That's where after command sent in numerous corvettes and destroyers and wings of bombers to take out the the first saths multiple engine subsystems in the precise location right in front of a jump node, would send in more fewer ships and start blasting the saths for about an hour until they're blown up.

Very bad plan, we should stop talking about this, it's so dumb, it's a zapp brannigan plan.

[TrashMan]

I think the Shivans are better at fighter-bomber deployment.

Keep in mind that they fought against a race with slightly superior technology than the GTVA 8000 years ago and won.

Why? Shields. there's really nothing to indicate that shivans can launch fighters faster.

Even if they could, the Sathanas has 2 fighterbays... .Vasudan destroyers have 2
So assuming 2 vasudan destroyers attack a Sathanas, even if the sath has more fighters (presumably), the speed at which it launches fihgters is a constant. Simply put it will be swarmed. By the time it gets 2 wings out the vasudans will put 4 out.

I consider a single fighterbay a real weakness of the Colossus, but to be fair it wasn't supposed to be a carrier.
IMHO, any ship that calls itself a carrier and has only 1-2 fighterbays is a bad design. That's why any carrier ship I make have 5+ fighterbays. Disable that!

[Snail]

The Sath has 1 fighterbay.