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Offline General Battuta

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I hope this isn't one of the topics that comes up so often it makes veterans groan.

I think we're all aware the mission is full of flaws and last-minute hacks. Has there ever been consideration of repairing it, and giving the Colossus a worthy finale? Perhaps beam-freeing the allied capital ships?

The changes need not be absolute heresy. The replacement mission could be optional.

This is probably an awful/impractical idea -- please, inform me!

 

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The mission was beyond perfect.

A fitting end to the arrogant bat**** linear thought process of the two races. A twenty year long project getting its **** ruined in twenty seconds, because they thought dick waving was the competition.

 

Offline Hades

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The mission was beyond perfect.

A fitting end to the arrogant bat**** linear thought process of the two races. A twenty year long project getting its **** ruined in twenty seconds, because they thought dick waving was the competition.
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Offline TrashMan

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There were a few edited mission is circulation.. all you need to do t ogive the Collie a more glorious death is move tha sath a bit closer to it, so it is in range of most of it's cannons  :beamz:
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Offline BlackDove

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The mission was beyond perfect.

A fitting end to the arrogant bat**** linear thought process of the two races. A twenty year long project getting its **** ruined in twenty seconds, because they thought dick waving was the competition.
No wonder you have the monkey avatar. :rolleyes:

No wonder you registered in 2007.

 

Offline General Battuta

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I don't dispute the manner of the Colossus' death.

What's clearly broken about the mission is the fact that it's unfinished -- the Colossus has a complex waypoint system it never executes and the beam-free-all for the Allied capital ships occurs before they warp in.

From what Trashman says, it sounds as if some people have made an attempt to make the mission into something more like what Volition was envisioning.

 

Offline BlackDove

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Don't really care if you make adjustments to it one way or the other, I'm just saying that as is, it works great all on its own.

 

Offline admiral_wolf

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The Admiral should have obeyed orders and jumped, he had no juristiction to take the lives of 30,000 on board the craft and the potential of millions on Capella and other systems.
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Offline Jeff Vader

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Maybe, but it's been speculated that, in the scenario where the Colossus is disabled, the CO of the Collie knew they couldn't jump, but decided to make themselves seem like martyrs by saying 'That's a negatory, Command! We'll hold'em off as long as we can! Get ze Bastion through!', instead of saying 'Um... we can't. No engines.'.
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Offline General Battuta

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Or the Colossus wasn't intended to be disabled at that point.

Of course, the sacrifice is still pretty meaningless, as there's nothing to indicate that Sathanas would go after the Bastion if left undistracted by its Colossus snack.

 
Their goal wasn't to distract the Sath in particular, but rather the Shivans in general.

Shivans are fighting a titanic battle all over the system, and even the Shivans have limits on numbers available. The Collie's mere presence was distraction enough. Which one are you gonna notice? The big ship that killed a Sath picking off more craft coming in through the node, or just one more destroyer making a run for it on the opposite end of the system? Which one are you gonna devote some resources to?

On the other hand, with the Collie gone, the Shivans are then going to deploy those resources fighting it to other things... including the Bastion.

So actually the Collie was doing some good... although I agree that once a Sath got on their case they should have run for it... they weren't a match in their weakened state.
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Offline TrashMan

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The Collie is actually able to give the Sath a nice battle, even damaged (once Sath is moved a bit closer)

once, by sheer luck, it managed to de-claw the Sath and kill it :P   But usually, it dies while damaging it significantly
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Offline karajorma

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What's clearly broken about the mission is the fact that it's unfinished

I don't think it's unfinished at all. I think what happened is an 11th hour fix to the mission when a bug was noticed very late in development. The mission was finished but the Colossus was disabled at the last minute to deal with the Sathanas.

I'd bet in the original version the Sathanas jumped in from a different direction and the player jumps out before the two actually engage. Remember that by overdriving it's beams they become LRBGreen's and thus have a longer range than the BFRed so if the distance was long enough it wouldn't have been half as stupid to remain behind as it appeared in the version we saw.

Of course, the sacrifice is still pretty meaningless, as there's nothing to indicate that Sathanas would go after the Bastion if left undistracted by its Colossus snack.

Similarly though there is nothing to indicate it wouldn't follow the Colossus if it did jump out.
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Offline TrashMan

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Similarly though there is nothing to indicate it wouldn't follow the Colossus if it did jump out.

But wouldn't that waste even more of the shivans time? And consequently buy the Bastion more of it?
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Offline ShadowGorrath

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Well , someone who isn't lazy , please beam-free all all of the ships in the mission , un-disable the Colossus and add more enemy fighters .

Besides , why else would the Colossus send in the heavy bombers than to deal with the Sathanas ? It was supposed to be a glorious battle , in which the Colossus was overpowered and destroyed .

 

Offline AlphaOne

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whats wrong with it its the fact that there is but one collie in game. I mean considering all of the GTVA's tech its hard to believe they got around to finishing just one of them. Sure the GTVA does not posses the manufacturing abilaties of the shivans or the resources. Then again it was peacetime project with the GTVA also focusing on developing new weapons new fighters new destroyers new corvettes new cruisers etc rebuilding its economy developing the colonies etc. .

Actualy now that i think about it its a bit of a wonder they got around to finishing even one. I believe that if the GTVA economy would of been a bit better hell if they had Sol for that matter then they might of been able to complete a better Collie and perhaps more then one.

Oh well the Collie had a good death i think.
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There's something you're not taking in consideration. We=Terrans and possibly the Vasudans will hardly start something that will be completed in 20+ years.

I mean, we have the technology to work on spaceships able to reach remote systems, but they'll need MANY years to get there and return. There will be no advantages(unless we are in an extreme situation).

The Shivans don't have this problem, they seem reletively Eternal to other species. They can work to build up a ship for centuries...

The GTVA is more than capable of building, let's say, 3 Colossi, but it will never do it for the reasons I stated above.

  

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:lol: Brilliant.
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