[Hippy]

Personally I find that most peoples real objection to accepting that GW/CC is an issue is actually an objection to environmentalists and their actions.

Another interesting thing about environmentalism is the coming conflict with groups they have traditionally been associated with - like animal rights groups like PETA etc.

Here's a real case: the genuine fur trade is by far environmentally friendlier than the fake-fur trade as fake-fur is essentially made from an oil by-product. So killing animals for their skins helps saves the planet.

Eco-terrorism is also particularly interesting, something groups like Sea Shepard step dangerously close to committing in their high-seas hijinks.

[Nuke]

i still believe we need more information. surly the quality of scientific data has increased over time. the data seems to point in a particular direction, but i question the long term models that they have come up with. that does not mean im against the whole eco friendly movement (not necessarily the crazy hippies who think that typical maggots should be protected from human interference).

[NGTM-1R]

The longterm models people come up with for things like global warming are only one step removed from looking into a crystal ball or reading tea leaves, because there are far too many variables in the process. It would break the computer to try and run an accurate model, and you can just forget even creating it.

[Kazan]

it's a bit more accurate than "reading tea leaves" when you're talking about large scale effects

more greenhouse gasses means more energy retained means higher temperature... simple equation


and yes some environmentalists are nutjobs - and we all know what arguentum ad hominem is

[Hippy]

From memory, the top 5 most powerful supercomputers on the planet are all designed for weather modeling.

and yes some environmentalists are nutjobs - and we all know what arguentum ad hominem is

Hahahaha! Yeah damn tree hugging hippies ;-)

[WeatherOp]

From memory, the top 5 most powerful supercomputers on the planet are all designed for weather modeling.

If that is the case, we need more horsepower. 

[Fearless Leader]

...killing animals for their skins helps saves the planet.

**finds his new mission**

[Kazan]

i still haven't heard any alternative explainations that cover all the facts

[Aardwolf]

One flawed argument against global warming is that it's all part of a natural cycle. The flaw: there have been natural cycles, but the current rising trend exceeds the natural cycle's steepest rate and highest level by huge amounts. Also the CO2 + other gas levels from the previous warm periods, iirc, are not quite as high.

[Fearless Leader]

One flawed argument against global warming is that it's all part of a natural cycle. The flaw: there have been natural cycles, but the current rising trend exceeds the natural cycle's steepest rate and highest level by huge amounts. Also the CO2 + other gas levels from the previous warm periods, iirc, are not quite as high.

hmmm...

maybe its simple. more people = more body heat & CO2 (because we breathe it out)

think about it, the dinosaurs were cold blooded and after they ruled the earth there was an ice age

[Kazan]

nope.. we don't pump out enough body heat or CO2 to explain the increase

[redsniper]

/facepalm @ Fearless

[watsisname]

hmmm...

maybe its simple. more people = more body heat & CO2 (because we breathe it out)

think about it, the dinosaurs were cold blooded and after they ruled the earth there was an ice age

Nah, that ice age is widely believed to have been caused by an asteroid impact. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_Crater

[Mika]

A Global Warming thread? Again?

Should I bother to write something about the industrial side of this? The things about this phenomenom are not as black (being the greedy industry) and white (being the good scientists that serve the public trust) as most people here tend to think.

Mika

[Fearless Leader]

/facepalm @ Fearless