[Snail]

Fortunately there are no Vasudans in your 158th campaigns

There are.

[Gamma_Draconis]

Wasn't the Colossus classified as GTVA Colossus? So it bares both the Vasudan and Terran names. Additionally, the Colossus had about 30,000 crewmen. I'm sure there's a Terran communication officer so the "CO" wasn't the actual CO, but the communication officer. Though I'm not sure why it has only Terran beams, perhaps the Terran beams are superior overall? So you combine superior Vasudan reactors and superior Terran beams.

[Jeff Vader]

But it still was a ****ing green flying brick. You'd think they had applied at least some Vasudan aesthetics to the design. But no. As far as anything that was actually shown is concidered, the only Vasudan thing in the Collie is the V in GTVA.

[Clawandfang]

So, GTVA is Galatic Terran-Vasudan Alliance. So the Colossus's full name is Galatic Terran-Vasudan Alliance Collossus. Shouldn't it be the GTVD Collossus or the GTVJ Collossus?

[Jeff Vader]

Since it is the biased culmination of the Terran-Vasudan Alliance, it is GTVA, even if it sounds a bit odd.

[blowfish]

But it still was a ****ing green flying brick. You'd think they had applied at least some Vasudan aesthetics to the design. But no. As far as anything that was actually shown is concidered, the only Vasudan thing in the Collie is the V in GTVA.

Maybe someone just did a bad job designing it.  I know from experience that when you are trying to design a hybrid ship, its a little to easy to shift too far to one side (and terran ships do seem to be easier to design).  You would think that someone else working on FS2 would have noticed this though...

Actually if you look at the concept art for the Colossus it does look a little more Vasudan.  So maybe it was just some bad decisions by a couple of people.  Apart from its looks and weaponry, there is no canon evidence to suggest that one species contributed more than the other ... well, except the fact that all of the freighters in the cutscene were terran.

[Clawandfang]

Since it is the biased culmination of the Terran-Vasudan Alliance, it is GTVA, even if it sounds a bit odd.

GTVD or GDVJ still mentions the Terrans and the Vasudans. The GTF Apollo doesn't mention the alliance of Terrans, why should the Colossus have to mention the Terrran-Vasudan alliance?

[Jeff Vader]

GTVD or GDVJ still mentions the Terrans and the Vasudans. The GTF Apollo doesn't mention the alliance of Terrans, why should the Colossus have to mention the Terrran-Vasudan alliance?

Since it is the biased culmination of the Terran-Vasudan Alliance, it is GTVA, even if it sounds a bit odd.

And the Apollo is an old skool Terran fighter, so there's no need to mention neither the Vasudans nor the Alliance with it.

[Goober5000]

Same reason the Knossos is classified as Terran.  The guys at are speciesist.

[Clawandfang]

What I was trying to say was that if the name credits the Vasudans and the Terrans, why does the Alliance need to be mentioned. No other alliance is mentioned on the name of any other craft.

[Jeff Vader]

Since it is the biased culmination of the Terran-Vasudan Alliance, it is GTVA, even if it sounds a bit odd.

It was the ****ing culmination of the alliance and cooperation between the two species. The two species that managed to fight back a race that had annihilated possibly countless species for millennia. The Colossus was a symbol for that alliance. A culmination, a peak point. An orgasm, if you will. That is why the designation says GTVA. No other craft has had that symbolic value. Sure, there was the Ulysses, but it was merely a new design, that had aspects from both races. It wasn't meant to be The Ship^TM that will ensure the survival of both species or something. The Colossus was. It was designed to thwart any Shivan threat that might arise. It was a joint endeavour between the Terrans and Vasudans. It strengthened the bond between the two species. It was, metaphorically speaking, the alliance.

[Snail]

It was the ****ing culmination of the alliance and cooperation between the two species. The two species that managed to fight back a race that had annihilated possibly countless species for millennia. The Colossus was a symbol for that alliance. A culmination, a peak point. An orgasm, if you will. That is why the designation says GTVA. No other craft has had that symbolic value. Sure, there was the Ulysses, but it was merely a new design, that had aspects from both races. It wasn't meant to be The Ship^TM that will ensure the survival of both species or something. The Colossus was. It was designed to thwart any Shivan threat that might arise. It was a joint endeavour between the Terrans and Vasudans. It strengthened the bond between the two species. It was, metaphorically speaking, the alliance.

Yeah I agree. What Lobo said.

[FireCrack]

The Colossus class Alliance is the most powerful spacefaring warship ever built...

[admiral_wolf]

Whilst we talk about the Ulyesses, why not mention the Interceptor?  That after all was the first joint endevour with a Terran warhead and Vasudan engine.  Whislt Khonsu II designed the Collosus, it does seem as though the Terrans were the major developers with both Subach Innes and Triton being involved.  No doubt RNI and HRC were also participants in the construction.

However, seeing as it was a JOINT endevour, I cannot see either party being happy with it being crewed by a majority of one race, so there is the possibility that although the Commanding Officer is a Terran, he probably has Vasudan officers below him.

As for only carrying Terran fighters, it may be that for a Terran led mission, the Collosus will launch Terran fighters so that the fighters currently engaged are familiar with the pilots and craft.  The same could apply for Vasudan missions.

[IceFire]

Practically speaking given the limitations of the FreeSpace engine...which would have worked out better.  A curvaceous Vasudan ship like the Typhon or Hatshepsut or a flying brick like the Orion?  I think the flying brick design prevailed for best gameplay speed.  The size of the Colossus in the game engine was enough to cause a few issues back when the game originally came out...some cards had trouble displaying the whole ship at the same time without dropping a few frames.

As for the canon...Colossus was a joint project. If you look at the company lists in the cutscene the ship was built by dozens of contractors from both Terran and Vasudan sources.  Just because the external design is Terran doesn't mean that some of the innards are Vasudan.  Even the Deimos tech description mentions a Vasudan based power core.  Lots of technology sharing going on.

[The Spac]

The Colossus is a box with vasudan designs inside and so is the Demios, come to think of it the Vasudans just want a monopoly on sweet sexy looking ships in an attempt to make their race more popular with the HLP community. Just look at the number of Terran to Vasudan campaigns and you'd see that the ZODS have cause to complain about the racism by our community.

[Clawandfang]

I give up, you win. I'm understand, although I'm still not entirely happy about it.

[Jeff Vader]

I give up, you win. I'm understand, although I'm still not entirely happy about it.

- "Victory is mine!"
- "Ours!"
- "No, Bob."
- "Wanker...

[ShadowGorrath]

Vasudans have less system as far as I know, so that means less ships are needed to be built. So that means they can be better ( and so they are better ). Vasudans depend mostly on Terran technologies ( using their missiles and weapons, with the exception of them mekhu, which is upgraded to work better on vasudan reactors ) . Only reasons for their ships to be more effective/stronger, is because they need LESS of the ships, and depend originaly on terran weapons ( except for beam cannons and the mekhu-hl7, thanks to vasudan reactors ). Terrans have more ships and pilots, their beam cannons are slightly more powerfull, ship hulls are weaker, because of they need to defend more systems. Though things like the Colossus, Meson bomb and, if I'm not mistaking, Helios torpedo are joint creations, every other weapon is made by terrans.

So in short: Vasudan ships are stronger thanks to the fact that they need less of them, and they use terran weapons. Terrans do most of the research though.

And the Colossus- mostly built by terrans ( Ganymede rings, terran freighters and drones ). Probably only funded by Vasudans and their reactors used.

[Clawandfang]

I had a thought on this. Vasuda Prime wasn't a great place even before the Lucy arrived, so in order to survive the Vasudans probably had a history of working together. Terrans however have had a great planet, so they can aforrd to disagree more. More disagreements means more wars, and there's nothing quite like a good war to speed up technological advances. I think this may be reason for superiour Terran technology.