[haloboy100]

Haloboy and a butt load of people who you, apparently, don't know who are.

Keep in mind that I know that's my opinion (which by the way is usually very different form everybody else's) and that I know other people think games like COD4 and Half-Life 2 are better instead. Which, I agree, they are both very great titles, but they don't beat the experience I had with Halo.

[NGTM-1R]

Perhaps I should have said "not only fun".
 Being fun is what a good game must have, but truly great masterpieces must have more.
Like in music - you got a good number of really catchy tunes - but it takes a special composer to make something truly great. People like Mozart and Beethowen are few and far in between.

I find it horribly ironic you chose one of Halo's strongest areas by the accounts of most people I've spoken to as your example.

[Davros]

speaking of vehicles
red faction had them - who made that now

[achtung]

Perhaps I should have said "not only fun".
 Being fun is what a good game must have, but truly great masterpieces must have more.
Like in music - you got a good number of really catchy tunes - but it takes a special composer to make something truly great. People like Mozart and Beethowen are few and far in between.

I find it horribly ironic you chose one of Halo's strongest areas by the accounts of most people I've spoken to as your example.

Yeah, Halo's got some really nice music.

[Polpolion]

Haloboy and a butt load of people who you, apparently, don't know who are.

Keep in mind that I know that's my opinion (which by the way is usually very different form everybody else's) and that I know other people think games like COD4 and Half-Life 2 are better instead. Which, I agree, they are both very great titles, but they don't beat the experience I had with Halo.

With all honesty, I don't see what's so great about Half-Life 2 either. The original was much better.

[haloboy100]

Operative word: like.

I mean other FPS in general. Such as Battlefield 2 and UT2004/3

[Flipside]

Halo itself was ok, I can't really comment on the others not having played them. I don't suppose any game will really match the novelty of the first few months of Blackstone/Wolfenstein/Doom, simply because the whole FPS experience is so commonplace now, but certainly, Halo wasn't the worst of the bunch by a long shot.

I think I'm more cynical these days though, they might be prettier, have better physics and a deep, contextual storyline, but, at their hearts, these games are all still clones of those original three semi-3D games.

[Ransom]

And every work of fiction has been drawn from a core set of original stories. The Hero's Journey, and so on. It doesn't really mean anything, and it certainly doesn't make further exploration of those archetypes any less valid.

[karajorma]

Engine quality, modability, requirements, user interface, learning curve, story, gameplay, small details, music, atmosphere, etc..
A lot of factors that are difficult to judge - best used in comparison.

I said non-subjective.

[Flipside]

And every work of fiction has been drawn from a core set of original stories. The Hero's Journey, and so on. It doesn't really mean anything, and it certainly doesn't make further exploration of those archetypes any less valid.

Even those stories, whilst based on the the archetypal 'stories' that have been with us for millennia, have changed presentation and approach and style, not simply described the locations a bit better. The overkill of 'First Person Shooters' on the market is one of my pet hates, we are told the market demands them because they are the biggest selling type, and yet it is a Chicken and Egg argument, since they are the biggest selling type because they are the most available.

[Admiral_Stones]

Halo itself was ok, I can't really comment on the others not having played them. I don't suppose any game will really match the novelty of the first few months of Blackstone/Wolfenstein/Doom, simply because the whole FPS experience is so commonplace now, but certainly, Halo wasn't the worst of the bunch by a long shot.

I think I'm more cynical these days though, they might be prettier, have better physics and a deep, contextual storyline, but, at their hearts, these games are all still clones of those original three semi-3D games.

Dude. You forgot Marathon.
Well, what can someone expect from Windowsers.

[Snail]

Wolfenstein 3d is the first First Person Shooter. EVAR.

And people still mod it.

[Wobble73]

Wolfenstein 3d is the first First Person Shooter. EVAR.

And people still mod it.

Yeah, and I've got it on my phone, and Doom!

Can't wait till there's a phone capable of playing FS2Open. 

[General Battuta]

Dude. You forgot Marathon.
Well, what can someone expect from Windowsers.

That game was incredible! There's a PC-port version you can get for free, which I recently played. The story is fantastic.

[Ransom]

Even those stories, whilst based on the the archetypal 'stories' that have been with us for millennia, have changed presentation and approach and style, not simply described the locations a bit better. The overkill of 'First Person Shooters' on the market is one of my pet hates, we are told the market demands them because they are the biggest selling type, and yet it is a Chicken and Egg argument, since they are the biggest selling type because they are the most available.

I'm not sure what your point is here. I mean, I guess I agree that there's an oversaturation in the FPS market, but come on. The majority of fiction is just as uninventive as most games are - and let's be honest, the problem is with all games, not just FPSes - but this is just a reality of mainstream entertainment. If you're trying to suggest that there's not a single FPS that has innovated on the foundation laid down by its predecessors, then I think you're being more than a little unreasonable.

[achtung]

I find Doom, and it's various multiplayer source ports, more fan than any FPS on the market today.

[Inquisitor]

4 pages...

About a game that nobody likes...

[haloboy100]

About a game that nobody likes...

A highly inaccurate statement.

[Inquisitor]

That would be called "sarcasm" you might have heard about it...

[haloboy100]

Perhaps.

Or maybe text messaging is the worst place to convey sarcasm