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Offline Kosh

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Ultra patent trolling
Appearently a company called Ultra Products says they recieved a patent for the modular power supply and are suing all the other power supply makers, such as Antec, etc
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline BloodEagle

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Re: Ultra patent trolling
 :eek2:

I like Ultra because all of their products come with a lifetime warranty. But this is just crazy.

 

Offline CP5670

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Re: Ultra patent trolling
They may actually have a case here. They did release the first such PSU on the market, although it was a fairly mediocre one that I've heard many failure cases about. Their newer ones are supposed to be much better though.

 

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Re: Ultra patent trolling
Well I'll be voting down this patent trolling idiocy with my dollars. I suggest others do the same.  If thats what they want to do...make them suffer.
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i find it hard to believe you can get a patent for sticking a power supply into a box, and putting an industry standard connector on it. its rediculous what counts as an invention. i demand patent reform! make it smarter or get rid of it all together.
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Offline Kosh

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Re: Ultra patent trolling
i find it hard to believe you can get a patent for sticking a power supply into a box, and putting an industry standard connector on it. its rediculous what counts as an invention. i demand patent reform! make it smarter or get rid of it all together.


Actually you can get patents for almost anything. Right now the number one holder of patents is some guy who patented every possible design of flowerpots he could think of. You can get patents for writing a few lines of code, and you could also patent business methods such as outsourcing.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline blowfish

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IIRC some companies have patented proteins found in the human body because they got bacteria to produce the same proteins :rolleyes:

The world is crazy these days...

 

Offline IceFire

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Thats it...I'm patenting the pinky finger.  Everyone on the planet now owes me billions.

(I realize thats not quite how it works...but hey)
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I'm surprised this isn't on Slashdot yet.
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Offline Kosh

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Re: Ultra patent trolling
Thats it...I'm patenting the pinky finger.  Everyone on the planet now owes me billions.

(I realize thats not quite how it works...but hey)


It is if it's genetically engineered. One of the issues with GMO foods is that the seeds are totally patented. If some of their seeds accidently gets on your land without you noticing, you're violating their "intellectual property" and can be sued for millions of dollars.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline S-99

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Re: Ultra patent trolling
I'm going to patent god and jesus. That way people will know that god and jesus are one in the same and are patentable. I'll be receiving royalty tithes. Dumb example of course, but then again most patents these days seem just as dumb.
My next mission will be to patent my ass impression in a couch. Only if other people find my ass impression in a couch comfier than the other over all ass impressions in couches. My ass impression in a couch could be paid to be scientifically proven to release stress and other therapeutic and ergonomic healthy abilities. If not, then i'll just plain old patent ass impressions in couches altogether. I'll make a **** load of money in the ass pillow industry. :yes:
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Offline WMCoolmon

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i find it hard to believe you can get a patent for sticking a power supply into a box, and putting an industry standard connector on it. its rediculous what counts as an invention. i demand patent reform! make it smarter or get rid of it all together.

Is it? The entire point of patents is to reward those who come up with an idea that would otherwise be nonprofitable without the protection of a patent. It seems to me that the modular power supply is the perfect example of such a parent. Something more complex that required advanced technical knowledge and a large, highly developed manufacturing infrastructure would by its nature be limited to large companies. An idea as simple and as effective as what you've described could easily be copied by any number of companies, and the original inventor would be put out of business simply by not possessing the same manufacturing capability at the outset as a company that had been producing slightly similar products and simply retooled their line to accept the improvement.

Simple ideas that make sense are some of the most widely beneficial ones.
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Offline Kosh

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Re: Ultra patent trolling
IBM could have been just like Apple in 1981 and introduced a totally patented and locked down computer, but they didn't and society benefited from it.


Fact is, why do this now? Modular power supplies have been in use for PCs for almost 30 years. That they waited THAT long before going after these companies is blatant trolling.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline karajorma

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Re: Ultra patent trolling
Patents like trademarks should require defence. That would stop a lot of this stupidity. If you invented the hyperlink you can't wait until the internet has been around for 10 years before trying to sue on it. If you didn't sue as soon as you become aware your patent was being infringed you should lose the right to do so.

I agree with WMC that patents are there to protect the small inventor. However patents are not supposed to allow you to pretend to ignore that your design is being infringed until everyone is using it so you can then spring a surprise lawsuit on every single competitor on the market designed simply to trick them into using your design so that you can make money from them.

Putting a defend or they expire clause on them would make them a lot more sensible and cut out almost every single one of these ridiculous patent infringement cases that we seem to hear of from time to time.
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Offline Nuke

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i think there should be a complexity requirement to the invention. sure you can describe a modular power supply in a paragraph, but it will most likely be bloated to make it seemingly more complex. they should crack down on this.

a natural progression also should not count as an idea. like the nail claw on the back of the hammer. it used to be you had to have a crowbar to pull messed up nails as well as a separate hammer which was essentially double headed. surely a bunch of different blacksmiths all over the place got the idea at the same time, and started making hammers with a nail claw in the ass end. that would be something patent worthy perhaps, so its not the best example. duct tape inventions, in which two gadgets are merged into a single gadget that has the functions of both, should not count.

i also think that you must have a working prototype to show that the idea isn't completely bogus. in theory patents should not be allowed. if you want an invention to make you the inventor money, then you are gonna need to market it to corporations or take out a loan and start your own business. if you want inventor to be a job title, it better be work you're doing. people see inventions as a get rich quick scheme. they think if the come up with a simple device they can make millions for at most what amounts to a couple years work.
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Offline BloodEagle

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Re: Ultra patent trolling
Thats it...I'm patenting the pinky finger.  Everyone on the planet now owes me billions.

(I realize thats not quite how it works...but hey)


It is if it's genetically engineered. One of the issues with GMO foods is that the seeds are totally patented. If some of their seeds accidently gets on your land without you noticing, you're violating their "intellectual property" and can be sued for millions of dollars.

It doesn't even need to be genetically modified. Rent The Future of Food. You can catch the first ten minutes of it on YouTube.

 

Offline colecampbell666

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There was an Aussie who tried to patent the wheel. Rejected, he went in a week later and tried for fire... And then air... Water...
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Offline S-99

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Sounds like that guy was seeing what he could get away with. Maybe when his list runs out he'll try to literally patent nothing. Nothing as in patenting vacuum.
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Offline colecampbell666

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Sounds like that guy was seeing what he could get away with. Maybe when his list runs out he'll try to literally patent nothing. Nothing as in patenting vacuum.
That's the basic premise. That, and he wanted to show the absurdity of some patents people have made.
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Didn't Coca-Cola patent Santa Claus™?