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Offline S-99

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Future digital document ease at stake
Microsoft just wants to be the king with a new document standard which really suck dick for most of us all. Anyone who doesn't use ms office will be screwed by it (i really hate how ms office doesn't incorporate odf compatibility...i actually use odf...no sense in saving documents in microsoft format if they're not going to leave my system, but still).

This link has some information about the evil tactics of ms to get ooxml standardized, but more importantly, shows off some of the major flaws it has.

This just is more about flaws in ooxml. It's even got information about how ooxml stores passwords in cleartext...wtf?

Aside from the flaws. OOXML is not really open and is obviously an ms standard flying forward with the word open to retain it's monopoly.

This stuff sucks, a protest happened in norway opposing the ooxml iso votes. The alternative to ooxml is the odf standard, which is a really good one.
I normally don't care about what format i have to save my documents in because document formats have been relatively interoperable, but i do care now because ms made the ooxml format which will complicate interoperability of documents which will get in the way of many office suite's compatibility with each other. Another thing that would be nice is if ms incorporated odf compatibility which they aren't really doing in favor of getting ooxml out as a standard to keep their dominance in the market and stamp out opposition which is odf.

Anyone got thoughts on this? You're future digital document ease is at stake here. Especially for the many who don't use ms office.
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Re: Future digital document ease at stake
its just a format which i will never want to use. microsoft is really good at selling crappy software. we dont need them spitting out standards and then hide the reasoning behind why they want them that way. another thing microsoft sucks at is maintaining standards. look at what they've done with directx, alot of people praise it but it has some serious issues with cross version compatibility. microsoft should stay out of the standards game.
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Microsoft should stay out of the whole software and OS business.  The only thing good they ever made was the sidewinder joystick series.
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A standard is only a standard if everyone recognizes and follows it.  :)
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Re: Future digital document ease at stake
Yeah, they just want to make sure they aren't the ones on the block with the average old office suite that can handle all of the formats that every other suite can use. I hope ooxml doesn't go through and that they just integrate odf compatibility. If ms just did that, i doubt ms office would drop in popularity and use and become one of those "average old other office suites". The reason for this is that when people hear of office suite, they immediately think of ms office. The many fewer educated others actually think of OOo and the gtk office suite (although this is slowly on the rise of awareness of existence). What usually happens when people hear office suite is immediately think of ms office, and occasionaly word perfect (which is just a word processor).

But, if i have to use ms office because of their one ****ty document format which will probably only work best with ms office (i wonder why), then it's of course going to be like that for everybody. More people will start using odf on a regular basis (mostly in other countries) while millions will be using ms office because that's all they know about or because that's what they'll be forced to use. I'm just curious about how countries that don't use the latin alphabet (russia, china, japan, etc.) are going to be able to use ooxml?

Another good thing ms made was really good optical mice, and in my opinion the xbox, and xbox 360 consoles. Speaking of ms making joysticks and gamepads, the xbox360 is an awesome gamepad. But, you can only use it in xp and vista, you can use it in other lower versions of windows as well if you get the superior XBCD360 drivers which can also be used in xp and vista. But, for using an x360 controller in linux, there was a driver made, but no instructions for how to compile, install, and operate.
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Offline Nuke

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their hardware department has its head together, and the marketing department is really good, the rest of the company is just ****. problem with that is that any hardware they make will only lock you into using their other products, like windows.
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Offline Mars

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Open office will undoubtedly be close behind

 

Offline S-99

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Linux is good enough for everyone :yes: Hell, even apple is becoming too much like ms these days, if not worse. At least with ms hardware you can use it on different platforms as well (except for the xb360 controller unless people know how to get that to work in linux). Although ipods are currently easier to use without itunes on linux, apple tries to make ipods only in use with itunes only constantly. Don't mention the iphone, it came out like last september and the iphone 2 is already on it's way (hint: don't buy $500 phones from apple).

Anyway, other office suites are already starting to implement ooxml. But, as i said earlier, how good is ooxml going to be with a different office suite?
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Offline Nuke

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Re: Future digital document ease at stake
i dont know, theres at least 2 replacement operating systems for most older ipods (and maybe some new ones). theres ipod linux, and rockbox. such software makes the devices more open (that is they can be developed for) and it completely circumvents drm and the necessity for itunes. i just plug mine in and copy the files directly.
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Ipod linux and rockbox are very nice. The only problem with the two is when my friends have an ipod or an mp3 player brand that has rockbox support, it usually ends up not being out for that model that my friends have :no:
Rockbox development is sort of slow. One reason why i like meizu, the developers of the firmware stay very in touch with the user community and listen to requests and integrate new features into the firmware all the time. In essence i don't need rockbox for my meizu because the firmware is already very much like rockbox.
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Re: Future digital document ease at stake
Linux is good enough for everyone :yes: Hell, even apple is becoming too much like ms these days, if not worse. At least with ms hardware you can use it on different platforms as well (except for the xb360 controller unless people know how to get that to work in linux). Although ipods are currently easier to use without itunes on linux, apple tries to make ipods only in use with itunes only constantly. Don't mention the iphone, it came out like last september and the iphone 2 is already on it's way (hint: don't buy $500 phones from apple).

Anyway, other office suites are already starting to implement ooxml. But, as i said earlier, how good is ooxml going to be with a different office suite?

No, Linux is not good enough for everyone. I'm sorry, but most people don't have the time to set Linux up, let alone learn how to use it - Linux is more for code jockeys and computer enthusiasts than the average user. I know the Linux-heads will spout their praises for their favorite distro, but it's just that that's the problem - there are so many different distros that each require different paths to properly set up and run, and most of the appeal behind Linux is having full control over the OS - something most users  don't even want. That's why Macs are so popular - you turn them on, and they go. If they break, send the whole thing to Apple and it gets fixed - total integration of hardware and software.

Linux will never go mainstream unless it becomes easier to use for the average person, who doesn't know how to use a computer, doesn't know how to code, and doesn't want to learn. I'm sorry but damn I'm tired of Linux users spouting how awesome Linux is and wondering why no one else uses it, when they clearly don't understand the dynamics of non-techie people using a computer.

 

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Re: Future digital document ease at stake
Windows is just trying to compensate for it loses in the OS war...  It makes things difficult so you have to buy more microsoft crap - so again, I say, go Macs! :p
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Re: Future digital document ease at stake
Windows is just trying to compensate for it loses in the OS war...  It makes things difficult so you have to buy more microsoft crap - so again, I say, go Macs! :p

Losing the OS war?  While I'll grant you that MacOS X and its upgrades are superior to Windows XP and Vista in nearly everything, they also have roughly 5% of the market.  I wouldn't say Windows is losing the OS war.
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Offline jdjtcagle

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Nah - your right they aren't losing just yet.  But if Microsoft keeps ignoring compatibility issues, things could possibly shift for Apple.  Like they have for Firefox
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Re: Future digital document ease at stake
Macs are better than Windows, but if I were to choose I'd choose a Windows (unless it was a Vista, not so sure about that).


 

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Re: Future digital document ease at stake
Guys, look. All this Mac-approval in the last few posts is freaking me out. Can someone come in here and make an obnoxious comment about how they can't right click or something? I feel like I've slipped into some kind of parallel universe.

 

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Guys, look. All this Mac-approval in the last few posts is freaking me out. Can someone come in here and make an obnoxious comment about how they can't right click or something? I feel like I've slipped into some kind of parallel universe.
I wish someone would kick these mac lovers in the ass. Every time I try to think up something about Macs being sick but some prick always proves me wrong.

 

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Man, those Mac users, they can't even right click, and they don't have an Alt button, they have some crazy swirly button instead.

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Protip:  Apple is slowly, in terms of attitude, turning into Microsoft.
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Re: Future digital document ease at stake
While I'm not sure what this topic has to do with the Almighty Apple Retarded Fruit Company....

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