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Offline Snail

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That can be connected to what I said about the Lilith a few posts ago. The Hellfire was a Demon, the strongest ship among the one that remained.
Yeah if you read my theory again, then you'd find that I actually included the possibility of lesser hives in my one.

 

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Although your theory has many good and valid points I'd like to base discussions on canon sources...
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Although your theory has many good and valid points I'd like to base discussions on canon sources...
I was just saying that I wasn't the one who dismissed the lesser hives theory.

 

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In any case fanon theories shouldn't count(here)...
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No elaborate theories are needed to explain how a ship to perform extremely well for its class yet isn't seen in large numbers.

The best real-life example I can think of: if we had a cold war-era submarine simulator with the same level of depth as Freespace (so table entries for speed, durability, power output etc but no information on costs, ease of maintenance, ability to actually do its job for extended periods of time) the Lira class would beget many comments of OMFG IMBALANCED!
For those not familiar with it, the craft featured full automation,  a titanium hull and a liquid-metal-cooled reactor; performance was beyond impressive but their actual military value wasn't worth the cost and maintenance issues.

 

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I don't think the Shivans have economical problems that reduce the number of Liliths they can produce.
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The Shivans would have economical limitations, unless they are a LOT more advanced than they show (to the extent where pretty much anything goes). Whether their economy resembles any known to us doesn't matter; snippets seen during Playing Judas for example seem to indicate that they don't use any incomprehensible über-tech to construct fighting ships.

Their limitations and organisation are pretty hard to judge; the actual battles taking place and the huge fleet of Sathanas Juggernauts don't match. Reasons for not launching their full might against the GTVA are pure speculation.

 

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Yeah :D

The Hive mind theory, if true, doesn't imply economical issues.
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The Shivans would have economical limitations, unless they are a LOT more advanced than they show (to the extent where pretty much anything goes)
80 juggernauts. Enough said, my friend.

 

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The Hive mind theory, if true, doesn't imply economical issues.


what about material issues? if you need some sorta super rare metal to use in a dangerous chemical reaction that could kill shivans both aboard the ship AND during construction just to power the thing, then yeah, I think there  (or is it their?) would be issues.

 

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what about material issues? if you need some sorta super rare metal to use in a dangerous chemical reaction that could kill shivans both aboard the ship AND during construction just to power the thing, then yeah, I think there  (or is it their?) would be issues.
There would certainly be issues, but I don't think it has anything to do with money or labor strikes.

And it's there, "their" is possessive (as in "The Shivan was over there" and "The Shivan was their pet")

 

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80 Juggernauts...deployed to destroy Capella. It doesn't mean their max number of Juggernauts is 80 :P

what about material issues? if you need some sorta super rare metal to use in a dangerous chemical reaction that could kill shivans both aboard the ship AND during construction just to power the thing, then yeah, I think there  (or is it their?) would be issues.

The Lilith is heavily armored and has one LRed beam. There's nothing about it that implies gathering rare materials...
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80 Juggernauts...deployed to destroy Capella. It doesn't mean their max number of Juggernauts is 80 :P[/color]

Agreed, unless Capella was like mindblowingly important or something, the Sathanes had to be expendable for them to sacrifice them like that. Which is why I think that the theories saying the Shivans only have 80 jugs yet only used Capella as a signal to scare the GTVA are absolute bull****.

The Lilith is heavily armored and has one LRed beam. There's nothing about it that implies gathering rare materials...
Rare materials for the armor? You can't just use thicker armor or have more layers, it has to be something different.

  

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Good point about the material, maybe it is incredibly rare...so that there aren't ships larger than a cruiser protected by it. Who knows...
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80 Juggernauts...deployed to destroy Capella. It doesn't mean their max number of Juggernauts is 80 :P

what about material issues? if you need some sorta super rare metal to use in a dangerous chemical reaction that could kill shivans both aboard the ship AND during construction just to power the thing, then yeah, I think there  (or is it their?) would be issues.

The Lilith is heavily armored and has one LRed beam. There's nothing about it that implies gathering rare materials...

there is nothing to imply that it has rare metals or somesort, but that is really the only explanation for having such a powerful ship and not building a lot of them.

besides there has to be a reason that you can't put a lred on a small ship. my guess would be that small generators are not powerful enough to make a beam like that. so, on a lilith they use a very advanced , dangerous and costly (in terms of rare materials) generator.

Good point about the material, maybe it is incredibly rare...so that there aren't ships larger than a cruiser protected by it. Who knows...
well the only time I can remember a lilith is when you had to capture it in fs1. maybe the shivans wanted
 it to be captured. they left their best tech for us so that we wouldn't resist taking it. remember what happened to the station that took it, right? it was just so that the shivans would find the GTA's best, nearby base so that they could come and destroy it.


heh, or maybe the shivans are just playing with us...

 

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The Taranis was a Cain.

 

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ok then... when did we see any liliths?

 

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There were a few in FS1, but they weren't very plot significant. The Zenith and one of the Hellion cruisers were Liliths, but those are the only ones I can name off the top of my head.

 

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One of the Hellions was a Lilith. The Zenith is a Lilith. The Asuras was initially supposed to be a Lilith. In "Their Finest Hour" you can see another Lilith.

The fact that the Lilith is rare can be easily explained , in a game strong components are usually rare and their number is limited.
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