[Dark Hunter]

Absolutely ridiculous! I swear, society is just moving more and more towards a persistent surveillance state. The nanny state has gone unchallenged for far too long. Not only did my college put up security cameras for the first time in 50 years, but now they're also requiring students to log in (via pen and paper) with their personal IDs any time they enter the computer lab.

This is ridiculous, myself and other students often times only have a few minutes between classes and we just need to print something out quickly. Now they are, quite literally, making us wait 5 minutes to go through a security checkpoint, just to use a computer. Not only that, but now the college (and as thus, the government) knows where I am at all times.

gg freedom, gg.

Wait, there were still colleges without security cameras?
In all seriousness, a college putting up a few security cameras is perfectly reasonable. Particularly given the kinds of shenanigans college students are known to get up to. Besides, Nakura, you do know that 99% of security footage goes unviewed, right? They only look at it if they think they have a reason to look at it (eg, a crime was known or suspected to have happened in the area). Nobody cares where you are at any given time.

The pen-and-paper login sounds hilariously technically incompetent on the part of the college, but it's really no different from the electronic login you'd need to use anyway to use a campus computer.

And like Ryan said, the government does not have absolute access to the college's records. I don't even see why they'd want it.
Being upset at the government's recently revealed actions is one thing, becoming paranoid and thinking the government is all knowing and omnipresent is quite another. Try to keep it in perspective.

[NGTM-1R]

Ben Affleck is Batman.

I am not optimistic.

[Mongoose]

I've watched Battleship, finally. HOW the hell did I miss this movie? It's ****ing AWSUM! 10x better than Star Trek. By a long ****ing shot.

Not having seen the former, I'm still going to call massive shenanigans on this.

[Colonol Dekker]

Not enough C4........... Hit, C5..........miss references to tickle my fancy. It's just crysis without nanosuits.

[Mongoose]

The trailer footage I saw made it look like it really really wanted to be Transformers.

[Colonol Dekker]

It really does, and the ending.......#facepalm#



The first half of the film, awesome. Then it's just full of cliches. Still, I'm going to watch it right now because it's fun throughout.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

HAVEN"T SLEPT ALL NIGHT< !SUCK IT MORTALSD! ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzssssssssssssssgbgybqaqeibgza a

Not sleeping for one night turns me into an undead entity. Playing ST:R almost managed it, but the only activities that have actually accomplished this are polytechnic (college) assignments and a ten-hour flight from Istanbul to Singapore filled with kids.

[Nakura]

Nakura, you are aware that even state colleges are technically institutions independent of the government, right?  They are private premises that can do what they please, despite being publicly-funded.

Putting up security cameras on a college campus and requiring sign-in to use computer resources is not nanny-statism, nor signs of a surveillance state.  Put down the Fox News pipe

Incidentally, if you don't like it, there's always Somalia.

1. I never said it had anything to do with government. In fact, I said that society is moving quickly in that direction.

2. It is certainly telling that we can't go anywhere or do anything without big brother watching over our shoulder.

3. I go to a community college, which, in the United States, is almost entirely funded by the state, local and federal government.

4. If any organization receives funding from any level of government, those funds cannot be used to violate the Constitution.

5. I never said that these policies violated the Constitution, merely that they're annoying as hell, will hurt students and are draconian in nature.

6. >Implying Somalia is anarchy. If you believe Somalians live under anarchy, then perhaps you should move to North Korea, I hear they're a great socialist country that cares for it's people and everyone gets a free unicorn.

[Nakura]

Absolutely ridiculous! I swear, society is just moving more and more towards a persistent surveillance state. The nanny state has gone unchallenged for far too long. Not only did my college put up security cameras for the first time in 50 years, but now they're also requiring students to log in (via pen and paper) with their personal IDs any time they enter the computer lab.

This is ridiculous, myself and other students often times only have a few minutes between classes and we just need to print something out quickly. Now they are, quite literally, making us wait 5 minutes to go through a security checkpoint, just to use a computer. Not only that, but now the college (and as thus, the government) knows where I am at all times.

gg freedom, gg.

Wait, there were still colleges without security cameras?
In all seriousness, a college putting up a few security cameras is perfectly reasonable. Particularly given the kinds of shenanigans college students are known to get up to. Besides, Nakura, you do know that 99% of security footage goes unviewed, right? They only look at it if they think they have a reason to look at it (eg, a crime was known or suspected to have happened in the area). Nobody cares where you are at any given time.

The pen-and-paper login sounds hilariously technically incompetent on the part of the college, but it's really no different from the electronic login you'd need to use anyway to use a campus computer.

And like Ryan said, the government does not have absolute access to the college's records. I don't even see why they'd want it.
Being upset at the government's recently revealed actions is one thing, becoming paranoid and thinking the government is all knowing and omnipresent is quite another. Try to keep it in perspective.

I can understand the security cameras and don't really care. The only reason they are putting them up though is because someone tried to rape/kill a girl in a bathroom at the college about 6 months ago.

The pen and paper login is ridiculous though. I've been there four semesters and they've never done this before. You literally have to write down your name and your 16 digit student number (that nobody remembers by heart), as well as the time you sign in. Presumably you have to write the time you sign out as well, but I use the secondary exit to avoid the hassle.

This is useless for several reasons. For starters, there is absolutely no way to verify that someone is who they say they are. I could easily put down a fake name and number. In addition, what exactly is the point of trying to force everyone to do this? The school just celebrated their 50 year anniversary last year, that means that they have gone over 50 years without having to do this. So why change now?

[Luis Dias]

I've watched Battleship, finally. HOW the hell did I miss this movie? It's ****ing AWSUM! 10x better than Star Trek. By a long ****ing shot.

Not having seen the former, I'm still going to call massive shenanigans on this.

The first half of the film, awesome. Then it's just full of cliches. Still, I'm going to watch it right now because it's fun throughout.

Ahaah nothing like a bit of cognitive dissonance for breakfast.... that's my point. It's fun throughout. And it dares to have more tactics and mind games than Star Trek. Which is sad in itself.

Take consideration, I said that BS is better than ST, not that it's the best thing since Space Odyssey. I'm having a really bad time taking seriously any of the **** that has come out of Hollywood for the past 10 years now, perhaps 15. Some small exceptions, like Children of Men, Revolutionary Road and so on.

[Colonol Dekker]

Now I'm watching Godzilla vs MechaGodzilla (1974)


Space titanium


(seen it many times before)

[MP-Ryan]

persistent surveillance state

The nanny state

now the college (and as thus, the government) knows where I am at all times.

ot only did my college put up security cameras for the first time in 50 years

19 hours later...

I never said it had anything to do with government.

we can't go anywhere or do anything without big brother watching

community college, which, in the United States, is almost entirely funded by the state, local and federal government / If any organization receives funding from any level of government, those funds cannot be used to violate the Constitution / I never said that these policies violated the Constitution

I can understand the security cameras and don't really care.

And Somalia is a failed state that is as close to anarchy as any in the modern world, but was purely a rhetorical device in any event.

[Luis Dias]

Anyways, I do share with Nakura this "I have a bad feeling about this" about the increasingly surveillance totalitarian-like world we are living in.

That **** that happened to the brazillian in the UK the other day was pretty much too Bourne-like for my taste.

[Lorric]

I dreamt last night that I died in my sleep. Horrible.

[Grizzly]

I can understand the security cameras and don't really care. The only reason they are putting them up though is because someone tried to rape/kill a girl in a bathroom at the college about 6 months ago.

This seems a very valid reason to me.

[Scotty]

I can understand the security cameras and don't really care. The only reason they are putting them up though is because someone tried to rape/kill a girl in a bathroom at the college about 6 months ago.

How dare those liberal assholes value human life over your privacy in an inherently public place.

[Nakura]

I can understand the security cameras and don't really care. The only reason they are putting them up though is because someone tried to rape/kill a girl in a bathroom at the college about 6 months ago.

How dare those liberal assholes value human life over your privacy in an inherently public place.

Who said anything about liberals? And I already said that I'm okay with the cameras. What I'm not okay with is the new computer lab policy, which they represented with zero feedback from the students, professors or community and which overthrew over 50 years of precedent. My college has developed something of a name for itself as a college that provides free resources to students without a hassle and without questioning their every move. They've built a reputation on respecting the privacy and freedom of each student, but it seems like they've really pulled a 180.

[Nakura]

Received my country assignment for the model United Nations simulation in my international relations class! I'm representing both the European Union (and it's member states) and Japan! I was originally hoping for Russia, but I think I'm really going to like representing the EU and Japan. Also, it doesn't hurt that my partner is the cutest girl in the class.

Anyone else find it rather ironic that I'm representing the European Union?

[Grizzly]

Received my country assignment for the model United Nations simulation in my international relations class! I'm representing both the European Union (and it's member states) and Japan! I was originally hoping for Russia, but I think I'm really going to like representing the EU and Japan. Also, it doesn't hurt that my partner is the cutest girl in the class.

Anyone else find it rather ironic that I'm representing the European Union?

Considering your statements in the past, I suggest that you study the EU very, very thoroughly.

I don't have much experience with you either, but you've never struck any negative chords with me. I've upset a few people here as well, largely due to my "controversial" with my political views; if you  can't handle controversy, don't discuss politics. If someone is giving you a hard time, **** them, it's their problem. As you can tell by the responses to your post, most people here don't have any problems with you.

I personally do not think your opinions are controversial. They just aren't very well thought out, often containining misquoted sources or "information" about other countries (such as the Netherlands) which is simply flat out wrong, as known by the people who actually live there.

[Nakura]

I personally do not think your opinions are controversial. They just aren't very well thought out, often containining misquoted sources or "information" about other countries (such as the Netherlands) which is simply flat out wrong, as known by the people who actually live there.

Except for the fact that I haven't posted any "misinformation" or "lied." If I'm wrong on something, I'd be more than happy to admit it. But let's face it, that guy (not MP-Ryan) was wrong on this one.

As you can see, semi-automatic rifles with magazines that hold 3 rounds or less aren't all that difficult (relatively speaking) to obtain in the Netherlands.

[Category B — Firearms subject to authorization
1. Semi-automatic or repeating short firearms.
2. Single-shot short firearms with centre-fire percussion.
3. Single-shot short firearms with rimfire percussion whose overall length is less than 28 cm.
4. Semi-automatic long firearms whose magazine and chamber can together hold more than three rounds.
5. Semi-automatic long firearms whose magazine and chamber cannot together hold more than three rounds, where the loading device is removable or where it is not certain that the weapon cannot be converted, with ordinary tools, into a weapon whose magazine and chamber can together hold more than three rounds.
6. Repeating and semi-automatic long firearms with smooth-bore barrels not exceeding 60 cm in length.
7. Semi-automatic firearms for civilian use which resemble weapons with automatic mechanisms.

Source: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLEG:1991L0477:20080728:EN:PDF

Even still, semi-automatic rifles with magazines that hold more than three magazines are not banned either, they are merely more heavily regulated and fall under Class C weapons, which require the intended buyer to request approval from the government before purchasing/owning. Handguns fall under the Class B licensing scheme as well.

Category C — Firearms subject to declaration
1. Repeating long firearms other than those listed in category B, point 6.
2. Long firearms with single-shot rifled barrels.
3. Semi-automatic long firearms other than those in category B, points 4 to 7.
4. Single-shot short firearms with rimfire percussion whose overall length is not less than 28 cm.

Source: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLEG:1991L0477:20080728:EN:PDF