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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
I never said that the British electorate weren't idiots for picking Tony Blair but if you understand the political system over here you'll realise that it isn't quite as cut and dried as it seems. Blair would have lost a presidential election. But in the UK the prime minister is the head of the party that gets the most votes. Apart from 50,000 people in the Sedgefield constituency no one can vote directly for or against him. Not to mention that it was widely accepted that Blair would be going some time soon after the election (it was only 5 days later that the party made the first attempt to get rid of him in fact).

It has often been said that Labour won the last election despite Tony Blair rather than because of him.

On the other hand there is nothing preventing Americans voting in a republican congress and a democratic president. Americans get to vote for the person they think would do the best job. And the majority thought that was Bush. And before you get onto the whole "Maybe Kerry would be worse" argument try to remember who put Kerry in the position of challenger? Oh yes, the 50m or so Americans NOT dumb enough to vote for Bush. :p
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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
why does this always derail into a political debate? ;)

 

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Yeah isn't there anything interesting happening on the other side of the world? :p
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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
IDIOTS IN COMMAND!!!
had to say it again.
During the last presidential election since i'm of voting age over here in the US, i found it quite difficult to vote for someone as opposed to voting for my states new governor. My parents are ultimate die hard republicans and when i didn't want to vote for a governor because i didn't know **** about either of the candidates or the system here in alaska when i was 18, my mother resorted to lecturing me about all the lives of babies that are going to be lost (republicans oppose abortion). Overly exxagerated from my mom, i just went ahead and voted for my parents preferenced governor candidate since i figured they at least knew a lot about the candidates and want to get the ass hole elected for a benefit of opposing abortion. My first voting experience was sure a peer pressure thing, i'm not going to let that happen again.

Little story aside. The voting got even more difficult since i at paid attention to the bush vs. kerry debates. Then i knew a lot of stuff. Stick with the last bad president or vote for the middleman who wants to please everybody (pleasing everybody and unable to take a stance on anything...it was kerry). I just didn't vote. I really didn't see any benefit voting for either one. Bush was going to win anyway which was pretty obvious to everybody given the american war situation and crap alternative president. Which equal valued evil should you vote for?

I'm really hoping the next elections go better. Then again, getting ****ed up candidates may be happening again. Obama vs. Hillary? I really don't know on this one yet :lol: Why can't we get like another raegan, lincoln, john adams, or thomas jefferson?
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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
You could have voted for Nader. :p

I suspect that if everyone who has claimed that they didn't see much difference between Kerry and Bush had voted Nader he'd be president right now. Republicans seem to be lining up to say that they didn't want to vote for Bush but only did cause they didn't like Kerry either.
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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
It's just funny how the republicans took over the senate and congress when bush jr. got elected. And that ended up being a really bad thing and since my parents are die hard republicans  they act like there's nothing bad going on while everyone else slowly finds out that it would have been better if the democrats kept power. I hate mindless party supporters!!! It is really sad to see also that one party wants to dominate the senate and congress for no other purpose than for dominating american politics. Then once the domination is in control, the "um what?" situation occurs.
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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
I have argued with someone from the UK about something, and after a while they asked if I was from the USA. When I said yes, they replied with the following:

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Josh: OMFG
Josh: It all makes sense now
Josh: People from the US are very stupid
Blackhole: So... i'm stupid?
Josh: Odds say yes

Go on. Tell me I'm stupid because I'm a minor, have no voting rights, can't control who runs my country, but live in the USA. Tell me I'm stupid because I'm surrounded by idiotic religious ****tards. Tell me I'm stupid so you can WIN AN ARGUMENT based entirely on the fact that I'm from America and therefore my opinion is meaningless.

I'm sorry, but thats just a little offensive. Enough with all this anti-american ****, we aren't living in the middle east here, or are the UKers going to start burning american flags too?

 

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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
I never said that the British electorate weren't idiots for picking Tony Blair but if you understand the political system over here you'll realise that it isn't quite as cut and dried as it seems. Blair would have lost a presidential election. But in the UK the prime minister is the head of the party that gets the most votes. Apart from 50,000 people in the Sedgefield constituency no one can vote directly for or against him. Not to mention that it was widely accepted that Blair would be going some time soon after the election (it was only 5 days later that the party made the first attempt to get rid of him in fact).

It has often been said that Labour won the last election despite Tony Blair rather than because of him.

On the other hand there is nothing preventing Americans voting in a republican congress and a democratic president. Americans get to vote for the person they think would do the best job. And the majority thought that was Bush. And before you get onto the whole "Maybe Kerry would be worse" argument try to remember who put Kerry in the position of challenger? Oh yes, the 50m or so Americans NOT dumb enough to vote for Bush. :p
What you need to understand about American politics is that every faction in it believes all the other factions are completely and utterly stupid. No one really wants to get rid of the Electoral College because it theoretically prevents the American populous from doing something Incredibly StupidTM. Not that it works, but it makes it really hard to just get rid of.

You can say "realise that it isn't quite as cut and dried as it seems" but in the end, isn't that true everywhere? If you can't change your political in the UK enough to actually vote for someone other than a man who's about to get fired, then your political system really is screwed up.

I'm not saying Britain is a horrible country, I'm just saying that you all are ones to talk about how stupid we are in this country for voting in ****ty leaders. Because we all have ****ty leaders from time to time. It's just at the time Bush was elected in, a bad leader had the potential to cause a lot of damage, and so Bush did.

When I looked at the lineup of Democratic candidates that year (not that it helped, since I was a minor, in Colorado) John Kerry was, quite literally, at the bottom of my list, because I couldn't figure out what he stood for, at all. Howard Dean only ruined his chances for excess being excessively exuberant... so we ended up with Kerry. Maybe Kerry was worse... because he didn't even know what he was going to do.


Go on. Tell me I'm stupid because I'm a minor, have no voting rights, can't control who runs my country, but live in the USA. Tell me I'm stupid because I'm surrounded by idiotic religious ****tards. Tell me I'm stupid so you can WIN AN ARGUMENT based entirely on the fact that I'm from America and therefore my opinion is meaningless.

I'm sorry, but thats just a little offensive. Enough with all this anti-american ****, we aren't living in the middle east here, or are the UKers going to start burning american flags too?

Those are dangerous thoughts. You can't go around assuming a country's entire population are the bad guys just because the loud people from those countrys are calling us stupid. By doing that you're guilty of the same sort of over-classification. Instead hold tight, wait until you can vote, and in the mean time prove them wrong.
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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
Go on. Tell me I'm stupid because I'm a minor, have no voting rights, can't control who runs my country, but live in the USA. Tell me I'm stupid because I'm surrounded by idiotic religious ****tards. Tell me I'm stupid so you can WIN AN ARGUMENT based entirely on the fact that I'm from America and therefore my opinion is meaningless.

I'm sorry, but thats just a little offensive. Enough with all this anti-american ****, we aren't living in the middle east here, or are the UKers going to start burning american flags too?

Those are dangerous thoughts. You can't go around assuming a country's entire population are the bad guys just because the loud people from those countrys are calling us stupid. By doing that you're guilty of the same sort of over-classification. Instead hold tight, wait until you can vote, and in the mean time prove them wrong.

You forgot the part where when he can vote, his votes get canceled out by the portion of the US population that is genuinely stupid. And you also forgot the part where every country has its share of idiots, and the ones canceling out his vote are our share, and the ones who are the primary "US people are stupid" people are their generally their respective country's share. :P

 

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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
I always thought it was the people who still think that Obama is a Muslim.
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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
Go on. Tell me I'm stupid because I'm a minor, have no voting rights, can't control who runs my country, but live in the USA. Tell me I'm stupid because I'm surrounded by idiotic religious ****tards. Tell me I'm stupid so you can WIN AN ARGUMENT based entirely on the fact that I'm from America and therefore my opinion is meaningless.

ad hominem is a logical fallacy. There's a huge difference between explaining why the rest of the world think that Americans are on average idiots and assuming that every single American must be one.

You can say "realise that it isn't quite as cut and dried as it seems" but in the end, isn't that true everywhere? If you can't change your political in the UK enough to actually vote for someone other than a man who's about to get fired, then your political system really is screwed up.


But that's the thing. Everyone knew Blair was going. Everyone was voting for a year or so of Blair and then Brown taking over. Which is exactly what they got.

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I'm not saying Britain is a horrible country, I'm just saying that you all are ones to talk about how stupid we are in this country for voting in ****ty leaders. Because we all have ****ty leaders from time to time. It's just at the time Bush was elected in, a bad leader had the potential to cause a lot of damage, and so Bush did.

The difference between Britain and the US is that you directly elect your president. Everyone in the UK knew that Blair was a **** prime minister but were willing to put up with him to have a Labour government as we knew it would only be temporary. But in America you get to directly pick your leader. And the rest of the world look at your country and say 55m of you thought GWB was the best man for the job.

Stop trying to defend it. Admit that those who voted for Bush were idiots and you'll go a long way to restoring some faith in your country. But while people insist on saying that there were good reasons for America to pick a man who will no doubt go down as the worst American president in history you only make your country look even worse.

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What you need to understand about American politics is that every faction in it believes all the other factions are completely and utterly stupid. No one really wants to get rid of the Electoral College because it theoretically prevents the American populous from doing something Incredibly StupidTM. Not that it works, but it makes it really hard to just get rid of.

Except that Bush won both via the Electoral College and the popular vote. So under a PR system he would still president. I see the EC mentioned all the time but I'm yet to see how it's a valid point.


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When I looked at the lineup of Democratic candidates that year (not that it helped, since I was a minor, in Colorado) John Kerry was, quite literally, at the bottom of my list, because I couldn't figure out what he stood for, at all. Howard Dean only ruined his chances for excess being excessively exuberant... so we ended up with Kerry. Maybe Kerry was worse... because he didn't even know what he was going to do.

Which only goes on to reinforce the view the rest of the world has about America being full of idiots. The rest of the world know that Bush is an idiot and yet Kerry was the best you could put up against him? Kerry was the favourite choice of the 50m people not stupid enough to vote for Bush?

And now Kerry being crap is used as an excuse for why Bush got in again. Sorry but that just doesn't fly. The democrats had other choices, they failed to take them. Even against Bush who anyone half decent should have been able to trounce. The fact that Kerry was the Democrats choice only goes to reinforce the notion that the democrat side of the electorate aren't particularly bright either.

What it comes down to is that the rest of the world sees the American public being lied to about Iraq, about who was behind 9/11, about how Bush is making the world safer, about how anyone who isn't willing to sign up with the Coalition of the Stupid is the enemy. But what we find unbelievable is that the American public are actually believing that ****. In a country with a free press. Where they can simply get on the net and hear an opposing viewpoint. Where discussion forums like HLP are full of people shouting the opposing viewpoint at people who aren't willing to listen to it cause they prefer the lies.

Is it any wonder the rest of the world consider America to be a land full of morons?
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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
Every country has a percentage of idiocy. In America that happens to be the majority percentage.

That's just my thoughts. So yes, odds do say that there is a better chance if you meet an American he is stupid rather then smart.

That also explains why only 3 of all the 20 americans I know online (excluding the guys on HLP here, who are generally sane people) are people I like.
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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
Fine.

There's obviously nothing I can say to convince any of you that Americans are not any more stupid on average than anyone else; so I won't waste my time.


Actually...

Let's see how many people vote for Mccain... he's made his support for Bush's policy's pretty clear.
I'm betting it will be under 25% of the US's total population
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Chuck Norris supports McCain...just...don't let people know... :nervous:
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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
:lol:

Man, such prejudice hostility towards America (land of the idiots)

Let me tell you I'll never visit any of you guys... too perfect for me.  Nope I'll chill with the dumb humans you guys are like... condescending deities or something.
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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
everyone should just be humble :yes:
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Being humble doesn't exactly get you ahead in life.

 

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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
Every country has a percentage of idiocy. In America that happens to be the majority percentage.

Every country has a majority percentage of idiots.

However, the American educational system has succeeding in teaching even the idiots about their right to free speech and everyone else's educational system has either failed or suceeded in teaching them they don't have a right to speak freely, so our idiots actually know they can talk and not suffer.

Punished for our successes. As usual. :P
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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
Man, such prejudice hostility towards America (land of the idiots)

Let me tell you I'll never visit any of you guys... too perfect for me.  Nope I'll chill with the dumb humans you guys are like... condescending deities or something.
Not prejudices per se, more like calling it how we see it. As I said before, a leader in a democratic society represents his people, so are we wrong to appraise the people on the basis of their leader?

However, the American educational system has succeeding in teaching even the idiots about their right to free speech and everyone else's educational system has either failed or suceeded in teaching them they don't have a right to speak freely, so our idiots actually know they can talk and not suffer.

Punished for our successes. As usual. :P
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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
Every country has a majority percentage of idiots.

However, the American educational system has succeeding in teaching even the idiots about their right to free speech and everyone else's educational system has either failed or suceeded in teaching them they don't have a right to speak freely, so our idiots actually know they can talk and not suffer.

I don't think idiots in the UK are any less aware of their freedom of speech rights than idiots in America.

I think the difference is that the attitude in America to being perceived as an idiot is different. In the UK no one wants to be thought of as a moron so people who are stupid are more likely to keep their mouths shut. In America it's more acceptable to show your stupidity. So we see more of it.

Bush is a great example of this (as are Quayle and Reagan) before him. I can't think of any British politician I consider to be an idiot or below average intelligence. Even Boris Johnson who comes the closest is more a case of someone who doesn't think things through rather than someone incapable of doing it. Yet I just named three American politicians who held very important posts despite most of the world agreeing that they were as thick as two short planks.
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