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Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: How far away is the Fs2 nebula?
Pretty bloody stupid to go back and build a knossos leading the Shivan space though wouldn't you say? :D

They wouldn't have know it was Shivan space til they encountered them though would they  ;7 :lol:

 

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Re: How far away is the Fs2 nebula?
Well the general assumption by those who claim the supernova is 8000 years old is that this is because the Shivans created the supernova as part of their campaign against the ancients.
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Re: How far away is the Fs2 nebula?
This post is total speculation, if it doesn't fit in the borders of canon, it doesn't. If it does, it does.

I'd say the 1-st Knossos leads out of the Milky Way.
The second one connects that other galaxy with a third one.
And there was a 3-rd Knossos in the "Dive! Dive! Dive!" mission, which leads to...
a place where Shivans are pwning another civilisation with at least 3 Saths (possibly implying they have a jugillion of Saths, and space is full of life)?
Also- if the Shivans are a part of a bigger problem, and they spread across multiple galaxies... what exactly is that bigger problem?


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Re: How far away is the Fs2 nebula?

Most people say that it was either the Lupus Nebula or the Crab Nebula. The Crab Nebula is an interesting candidate because our calculations show that the star shouldn't have exploded when it did because it didn't have enough mass at the time.

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Re: How far away is the Fs2 nebula?
Intrasystem nodes can survive supernovas. And perhaps a knossos can lockdown nodes as well. I mean bosch couldn't go through the first knossos in gamma drac. until he figured out how to power it up and use it. Or just that the knossos was  powered down thousands of years ago and that node that the knossos use to stabilize became destabilized in that timeframe.
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Re: How far away is the Fs2 nebula?
The latter is much more strongly implied. Recall that even after the Knossos was destroyed, the node continued to exist. That may simply be superior Shivan technology, but I think it's much more likely that the Knossos simply continued to stabilize the node up until the moment was destroyed, and the Sathanas being in-transit simply served to somehow make the node permanent. Perhaps Shivan ships have some kind of subspace-stabilization side effect of their jump drives.

Since the Knossos itself doesn't seem to have a centralized core, it may be that it draws its power from subspace somehow. Sort of a perpetual motion machine, which would contradict the laws of physics, but then again, so does the spinning aspect of it.
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Re: How far away is the Fs2 nebula?
Considering the fact that to destroy a node you need some massive explosives to explode in the opening to subspace. Supernovas don't open up nodes like terrans do and let it off in the opening specifically. Perhaps if a node is open while a supernova is happening then i can see a supernova destroying a node.

I think it was pretty well implied that after the knossos blew up that the knossos had stabilized that node for the longterm future after a sath  came through since bosch turned the knossos on. Remember, bosch tracked down the location of the knossos, and learned how to activate it. Which, restabilized the node so ntf forces could go through it in the first place.
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Re: How far away is the Fs2 nebula?
I always assumed the node in the nebula was out of range of the nova and stellar drift over a VERY long time caused it to reach the node.

 

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Re: How far away is the Fs2 nebula?
How do we actually know, that Supernovas destroy Jump Nodes ? I mean, did anybody tested it for real ?

If Jump Connections exist in Subspace, how can they get destroyed in real Space ? Yeah, you could destroy the Portal to the Subspacetunnel, but not the Tunnel itself, since it´s not existing in real Space. As long as you have the coordinates of the "Entrance" and "Exit", you could always again build up the Subspacetunnel.

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what exactly is that bigger problem?

Think about Half-Life 2 and the Combine. Maybe the Shivans been send to cripple the Terran Systems and to open up the ancient Jump Gates, for someone else. Though that would interfer with the Fact, the Shivans want to "return" to theyr Home Universe.
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Re: How far away is the Fs2 nebula?
 :wtf: Who mentioned that nova destroys jump nodes, I was talking about the nova destroying the Knossos, not the node?
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Re: How far away is the Fs2 nebula?
Oh :lol: ok i agree with that:yes:

 
Re: How far away is the Fs2 nebula?
The Nebula is definitely older than the Knossos. The Ancients built their portal there, in the Binary, and somewhere beyond, they encountered the Shivans, much like the GTVA did.

@Snail: I never said the Nebula is intergalactic. I said system-to-system nodes are intragalactic.

 

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Re: How far away is the Fs2 nebula?
Well, for all we know a super nova does destabilise nodes...hense knossai being used to stabilize them. But yes the Supernova would have destroyed the knossos.
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Re: How far away is the Fs2 nebula?
Well, for all we know a super nova does destabilise nodes...
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Re: How far away is the Fs2 nebula?
I never said that...Im just saying it could
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Re: How far away is the Fs2 nebula?
Well, for all we know a super nova does destabilise nodes...hense knossai being used to stabilize them. But yes the Supernova would have destroyed the knossos.

I'd beg to differ. This is people popping in an assumption and hoping its real. The ancients put a knossos there to restabalize a dead node. Again i'll say this, the only way to destroy a node is to jam pack explosives into the opening to subspace and detonate. Since supernovas don't do that, then you got your answer. The other thing is that supernovas occur in real space and not subspace.
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Re: How far away is the Fs2 nebula?
Well, for all we know a super nova does destabilise nodes...hense knossai being used to stabilize them. But yes the Supernova would have destroyed the knossos.

I'd beg to differ. This is people popping in an assumption and hoping its real. The ancients put a knossos there to restabalize a dead node. Again i'll say this, the only way to destroy a node is to jam pack explosives into the opening to subspace and detonate. Since supernovas don't do that, then you got your answer. The other thing is that supernovas occur in real space and not subspace.

WHAT IF...

The Ancients were fleeing the system and at the last minute, opened a subspace opening back to Gamma Draconis just as the supernova shockwave hit it. The power of the shockwave would be a LOT more than a bunch of Meson Bombs and would shut the wormhole down.

Then the Ancients made the Knossos to restabilize the node...

Well, one hole is, why would the Ancients fight the Shivans again?

And, another is, the shockwave of the Supernova would have destroyed a Knossos.

So, the Ancients must have looked for the Shivans again. A damned stupid thing to do, imo.
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Re: How far away is the Fs2 nebula?
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Re: How far away is the Fs2 nebula?
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Re: How far away is the Fs2 nebula?
WHAT IF...

The Ancients were fleeing the system and at the last minute, opened a subspace opening back to Gamma Draconis just as the supernova shockwave hit it. The power of the shockwave would be a LOT more than a bunch of Meson Bombs and would shut the wormhole down.
Entering subspace takes vibration in n dimensions (check the Tech Room); a shockwave doesn't do that, therefore it couldn't have affected the node IMO.