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That guy sucks.
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I'm not sure what's stupid about it personally. We made the damn mess, and leaving isn't going to make it any better, we might as well stay and clean it up. I'll agree we should never have gone in, but leaving it like it is would be even more monumentally stupid.

To be honest I tend to agree with you on that. Pull out quickly, leave the country as stable as possible but don't cut and run. That won't help anyone.
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:wtf:

You people do realize that they're all horrible choices, don't you?

It's politics. The people who want to gain power, influence, and popularity, and all those other things we deem as shallow, have the advantage because they're doing what they want to do (and are presumably good at) in order to get ahead. The people who want to make a practical difference end up getting sidelined, because they spend their time researching the facts rather than trying to be a shining beacon of attention.

That may seem like a relatively cynical view of politics, but someone who is that way doesn't necessarily act in an immoral or amoral fashion. Put the right pressures on them and they will tend towards the right thing to do. Or, if they have some depth to them beyond all of the intensive networking, they'll be able to listen to the smart people who do know about the decisions that they have to make.

Obama strikes me as an idealist, but that's a commitment he'll have to hold to in office. He can't just reverse that and start giving corruption the all-clear or else there's no way he'll get elected next term. He's also in a position where he will be a name for the history books just because he'll be the first black president of the United States. He's going to have all eyes watching him, and the last black idealist who was in that particular kind of situation is not remembered for his politics but for his words. If Obama is in this just for personal power, he's doing a damn good job of pulling the wool over people's eyes. But I think there's enough of an idealistic statement at stake here to believe that some of that will affect him, and that the decisions he makes if he gets into office will have some moral, socially conscious aspect to them.

The most interesting thing about Obama comes from when I heard him speak. (I was standing about one row of people back from the round area that was cleared for him to speak). There were a couple of things, actually, that stood out about it to me, both centering around someone in the cloud who collapsed due to the heat.

The first was a comment by the man on the other side of Obama from the person. As the paramedics were on their way to deal with the situation, the man yelled, "Homeland security wouldn't have been that fast!" (paraphrased; it was definitely a negative comment about Homeland Security with that general phrasing)

Obama paraphrased that as, "He said he would hope that Homeland Security would've been that fast." Right, so Obama paraphrased it to make the comment positive, so he didn't look like he was passing on a politically barbed statement.

The second was watching Obama try to deal with this person. He'd been making some rather definite comments about the Bush administration, IIRC, when the person had collapsed, and he was put in the position of having to compete with that for attention. On the one hand, he couldn't appear inconsiderate by just ignoring the fact that they were in trouble (even though the paramedics were there) and he didn't know exactly what the problem was at that point. On the other hand, he was on something of a roll and would lose the momentum of his speech by stopping it clear out. So he stopped for awhile, asked how serious it was, got told it was just heat stroke, etc. Then he kind of made some half starts. Eventually, the person was carried away and he went right back into it.

It was interesting to see a politician have to react to something unplanned like that. (Disregarding some conspiracy to make Obama appear more genuine, which seems a little off the deep end to me, considering how he reacted.)

The other thing that I noticed about Obama was that he had confidence, not charisma. He seemed like the kind of person you would follow because you had made a choice to, not because you just felt some kind of attachment to him. I'm not sure if most other people there would mirror that opinion, though, I did not think to ask it at the time.
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It's gonna take a huge move by Obama to beat McCain. He's gonna have to work hard to repair the rift between his supporters and the shemale's. Otherwise they will vote against him out of spite.
Thats the problem...there's a whole bunch of spiteful people out there and combined with some racists and weird people ...its going to be a tough battle for Obama.  Trouble is that the country probably needs someone like him.

I think you're forgetting the support Obama has gotten from young people.  His campaign has sucked out young voters in droves.  A politician has finally managed to connect with the newest generation of voters.  That, I think, could actually turn the tide (especially when you consider that fewer than 30% of voters in the first five year bracket usually bother).
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And what about the rest of you? Thoughts?

Obama definately won? A dark day for america indeed.... :(
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You preferred Clinton?
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You preferred Clinton?
No, he probably just doesn't like darkies.

 

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:rolleyes: who's McCain by the way. That tv spot i saw last night threw me off.
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You preferred Clinton?
No, he probably just doesn't like darkies.
I thought that too. :lol:
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And what about the rest of you? Thoughts?

Obama definately won? A dark day for america indeed.... :(

Trash, are you aware that this was the Democratic primary, not the overall election?

 

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Mccain was called Mcnasty in high school. He called his wife a "****" in the middle of a public dinner (look around and you'll find an audio clip).

Basically he's aggressive, tough, and has a continuous hard on, kinda like Bush. Although I see the use for such a leader, I don't think it's the kind we need right now.

 

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If McCain is the same as the incumbent President, then what prevents him from becoming the next? You voted such a man into office 4 and 8 years previously.

About the general elections: I would prefer Obama to win it, and try to alleviate racism. I say alleviate, cause it's obvious racism won't disappear under his 4 or 8-year presidency. However, I think McCain will win, just because those who voted for Hillary in the partwide elections will vote for McCain to take revenge. Perhaps taking Hillary as a Vice President would help a bit in the elections, but not in the long run. The only head-up for Obama is that the Republicans had the least popular President ever in the Oval Office in the past eight years. (I don't know if that counts in the US at all, considering that Bush is not involved.
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You preferred Clinton?
No, he probably just doesn't like darkies.

Nah, I don't like puppets.
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Offline General Battuta

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Trash, you are aware these are the primaries, right?

Just to make sure?

 

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You preferred Clinton?
No, he probably just doesn't like darkies.

Nah, I don't like puppets.

Then don't think about US politics.

 

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You preferred Clinton?
No, he probably just doesn't like darkies.

Nah, I don't like puppets.
How on earth is Obama a "puppet"?

Also, fun fact:  Obama's speech last night was held in the same venue that will eventually hold the Republican National Convention later this year.

 

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A practicely unheard of politician suddenly getting huge funds and support?
Yup, he's got somebody on the backstage pulling the stings. You don't get that amount of $$$ without making some really serious promises to some very questionable buisnismen.
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Dude... they're all puppets, welcome to the US. The systems in place demand that the president is puppet.

Democrats and Republicans, and no chance of anyone else.

 

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It's gonna take a huge move by Obama to beat McCain. He's gonna have to work hard to repair the rift between his supporters and the shemale's. Otherwise they will vote against him out of spite.
Thats the problem...there's a whole bunch of spiteful people out there and combined with some racists and weird people ...its going to be a tough battle for Obama.  Trouble is that the country probably needs someone like him.

I think you're forgetting the support Obama has gotten from young people.  His campaign has sucked out young voters in droves.  A politician has finally managed to connect with the newest generation of voters.  That, I think, could actually turn the tide (especially when you consider that fewer than 30% of voters in the first five year bracket usually bother).
A fair point...that could be a bit of a wildcard situation.  Depends on if my generation of people down in the US decide to get into the fight and vote or sit on the sidelines.
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A practicely unheard of politician suddenly getting huge funds and support?
Yup, he's got somebody on the backstage pulling the stings. You don't get that amount of $$$ without making some really serious promises to some very questionable buisnismen.

Appearently you don't understand the US political system.
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