[Nuke]

i say we shoulda nuked the bastards

[Scuddie]

Along with everyone else.

[IceFire]

I fully agree, all I'm saying is that body armor alone is a huge advantage over a conventional force.

Of course the Chinese are very close to the US in technology, and their weapons are potentially better (they have higher KE)

Why do Chinese weapons have better KE?  The Chinese have some potent aircraft in their airforce like the Su-30 but their own fighter programs have been floundering for years.  Only recently has China been building a serious surface naval fleet to try and rival the US.  At the moment the US and Allies still have the technological advantage with largely better aircraft, missile technology, UAV technology, and outright naval power.  But the gap is narrowing...

It'd still be totally disastrous for China and the West to go at arms with each other.  Both sides economies would be in ruins.  Plus there is little to fight over except Taiwan.  China doesn't seem to have any territorial ambitions and North Korea seems to be regarded mostly as an annoyance for them.

[Nuke]

china's power is economic and industrial power, not military. i don't view china as an evil power. sure they have done some bad things in the past but i think they have outgrown of that in recent years. most of the bad rep the chinese get from cold war era anto communist propaganda. china is becoming less and less communist each day.

anyway with the current state of american industry i doubt we could win a war with china. china's industry is now about where we were when we got involved in ww2. fact of the matter is they can build factories faster than we can build bombs. if they had to go into war time production of even mediocre weapons systems they would still have the numbers advantage.

[Mars]

Why do Chinese weapons have better KE? 

The 5.8x42mm round used in their weapons is heavier with similar muzzle velocity than the 5.56

It'd still be totally disastrous for China and the West to go at arms with each other.  Both sides economies would be in ruins.  Plus there is little to fight over except Taiwan.  China doesn't seem to have any territorial ambitions and North Korea seems to be regarded mostly as an annoyance for them.

I agree.

china's power is economic and industrial power, not military. i don't view china as an evil power. sure they have done some bad things in the past but i think they have outgrown of that in recent years. most of the bad rep the chinese get from cold war era anto communist propaganda. china is becoming less and less communist each day.

anyway with the current state of american industry i doubt we could win a war with china. china's industry is now about where we were when we got involved in ww2. fact of the matter is they can build factories faster than we can build bombs. if they had to go into war time production of even mediocre weapons systems they would still have the numbers advantage.

China isn't any more evil than any other large government. However, I think that a war between China and the West is the most likely WWIII scenario at the moment.

[Akalabeth Angel]

i say we shoulda nuked the bastards

Along with everyone else.

      Wow it's good to know there are still plenty of idiots in the world to dilute the gene pool.

[Flipside]

Scuddie was being sarcastic. Nuke isn't called Nuke for no reason.

[Mars]

1,215 posts and you don't know about Nuke? 

[Kosh]

There are 33,453 US troops in Japan right now, and there are about 30,000 troops in South Korea. There are about 150,000 US troops alone in Iraq and they aren't able to keep the peace well. Imagine them against North Korea's huge army and potential Chinese backing.

You seriously underestimate their forces or overestimate the US troop numbers.  If war breaks out there, we WILL need to send troops. A lot of them.

North Korea's army is large, but it's almost all infantry and what armor and aircraft they have are all hopelessly obsolete (even more obsolete than China's). At first they can do some damage, but they have no staying power. Plus South Korea has a large, advanced military which would be enough to counter North Korea.

China isn't going to invade us...

They're going to help dig the grave for our economy.

Exactly. Something people don't get in the midst of this fear mongering about China is that it has far too much to lose. What made the Soviet Union dangerous was its isolation. It had nothing to gain from the current system, and so had every reason to destroy it.

The real problem is that China and the US aren't really talking WITH eachother as much as they should, they are talking TO eachother far more than they should. That's something I hope will change in the next 10 years, for the good of everyone.

[Akalabeth Angel]

1,215 posts and you don't know about Nuke? 

         Doesn't matter what his username is, if anyone says something like that with any sincerity, I have no tolerance for that sort of attitude which seems to be somewhat common south of the border. Anyone who says "nuke 'em all or kill 'em all" and actually believes it, is a complete moron and may God help any children they may have.

         If on the other hand, he's just joking or is being sarcastic, well it's not overly funny. In part because people who don't get the joke might adopt the same mentality but without the humourous undertones.

[General Battuta]

I don't find it funny either, because the joke's stale. But, hey, he's nuke. He likes being misanthropic because it sets him apart.

No harm in that, I guess,

[Ford Prefect]

         Doesn't matter what his username is, if anyone says something like that with any sincerity, I have no tolerance for that sort of attitude which seems to be somewhat common south of the border. Anyone who says "nuke 'em all or kill 'em all" and actually believes it, is a complete moron and may God help any children they may have.

         If on the other hand, he's just joking or is being sarcastic, well it's not overly funny. In part because people who don't get the joke might adopt the same mentality but without the humourous undertones.

Methinks thou misunderstand. The sentiment to which I believe you are referring is a desire to inflict violence that is predicated on "othering," as in violence towards others as distinct from one's own community or self. Nuke is a self-proclaimed nihilist and endorses the destruction of everything and everyone-- including himself, if I understand correctly. When he says "nuke 'em," he doesn't mean "nuke them specifically," he means "include them when we nuke the rest of the world." Now how can you hate a guy like that?