[Spicious]

Sure, the tech description says it is, despite it not at all acting like one, but I was more interested in your assumption that it must be better or alternatively that a xaser is fundamentally different to a laser.

[Akalabeth Angel]

Go watch Return of the Sith; in the opening part of the movie depicting the battle over Coruscant, there's a scene where a Venator and a Providence go up close to broadside each other; it shows the heavy turbolasers firing, ejecting some massive shell thing, and getting a new one slammed in.

   That's just Lucas' retrofetish. Think he's doing a Patrick O'brian novel adaptation or something.

[ShivanEmperor]

Okey, we're getting there. I have come up with a bit of a flu so the fan fic may be deleyed a few days. Anyway...

Although beam weapons could severely pound the shields of an ISD, we need to know the shields strength. Shivan Tech differs from SW tech, meaning that SW shield strength could differ greatly from FS2 tech

Also, the hull of an ISD is supposed to be made up of some kind of advanced Durasteel or some other kind of powerfull alloy. SW episode 3 opening scene, we see a destroyed piece of a seperatist cruiser being blown into a Venator. The piece only makes a small scorched mark. However, freespace ships get holes blown in them just when a fighter crashes into it. You can see fire and/or smoke steaming out of the damaged area when they take damage.

Resources needed to create Terran ships mostly came from Earth, meaning either they are mostly made of Titanium are some other powerfull Earth alloy. SW metal is not native to the Sol system meaning it could be far stronger. Say, an ISD's shields are brought down, the beams still need to penetrate the hull. That video of an ISD v.s. an orion is not entirely accurate. Weapons and shielding are probably not the same as they are in the SW universe. I believe the person who made that vid is on this forum. He said that the ISD was not as good as the ones for future SW mods, so now doupt that vid is irrelivent to this debate.

In SW EAW, missiles or other weapons which do not utilize laser technology can bypass shields. Would flak cannons have a similar effect? Or can missiles be blocked by shields too?

Chances are, SW ships are more susseptable to beam cannons due to their more advanced shielding technology and metal alloys. However, Terran shielding tech was reverse engineered from Shivan tech, so who knows how long Shivans have been able to evolve their technology.

[Stormkeeper]

Sure, the tech description says it is, despite it not at all acting like one, but I was more interested in your assumption that it must be better or alternatively that a xaser is fundamentally different to a laser.

A laser fires beams of coherent light, correct ? While a xaser fires beams of x-ray particles. While behaviorally they are identical, I doubt that shields calibrated to deflect and absorb laser beams would be able to do the same for xaser beams, because xaser beams are beams of x-ray particles, not light. So the shields in SW, while effective against laser cannons, may not have the same level of effectiveness against xasers.

[Spicious]

You're still providing no reasoning for your argument.

Star Wars lasers and FS xasers are obviously not what they say they are and actually act in a similar manner (colourful blobs). Hence, there is no reason to assume that one would be more effective against some specific shielding technology.

[Uchuujinsan]

A laser fires beams of coherent light, correct ? While a xaser fires beams of x-ray particles.

While it is correct to say that xasers fire x-ray particles (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave-particle_duality for more information), saying a xaser is not light isnt.
A xaser is a laser with a very high frequency, as an x-ray is only light with a very high frequency.
Visible light has a wavelength of 400-800nm, x-rays from 0,005-10nm

[colecampbell666]

Although beam weapons could severely pound the shields of an ISD, we need to know the shields strength. Shivan Tech differs from SW tech, meaning that SW shield strength could differ greatly from FS2 tech

1 hitpoint in FS is aprox 1.5625 megatons. According to the Harbinger at least.

A.k.a a lot. And conventional lasers don't penetrate shields, while beams do.

Also, the hull of an ISD is supposed to be made up of some kind of advanced Durasteel or some other kind of powerfull alloy. SW episode 3 opening scene, we see a destroyed piece of a seperatist cruiser being blown into a Venator. The piece only makes a small scorched mark. However, freespace ships get holes blown in them just when a fighter crashes into it. You can see fire and/or smoke steaming out of the damaged area when they take damage.

Resources needed to create Terran ships mostly came from Earth, meaning either they are mostly made of Titanium are some other powerfull Earth alloy. SW metal is not native to the Sol system meaning it could be far stronger. Say, an ISD's shields are brought down, the beams still need to penetrate the hull. That video of an ISD v.s. an orion is not entirely accurate. Weapons and shielding are probably not the same as they are in the SW universe. I believe the person who made that vid is on this forum. He said that the ISD was not as good as the ones for future SW mods, so now doupt that vid is irrelivent to this debate.

And the GTVA doens't have any more planets than Earth?

In SW EAW, missiles or other weapons which do not utilize laser technology can bypass shields. Would flak cannons have a similar effect? Or can missiles be blocked by shields too?

SW:EAW is generally not considered canon.

Chances are, SW ships are more susseptable to beam cannons due to their more advanced shielding technology and metal alloys. However, Terran shielding tech was reverse engineered from Shivan tech, so who knows how long Shivans have been able to evolve their technology.

What?

[Fenrir]

Don`t you remember? In FS1 the GTA steals some cargo units containing sheilding technology, from which it develops fighter shields for its own craft.

[colecampbell666]

Let me clarify:

Chances are, SW ships are more susseptable to beam cannons due to their more advanced shielding technology and metal alloys.

What?

[Flipside]

I don't see how 'not coming from Earth' means that something would be tougher, stronger or any different. 99.9% of the universe is based on the same few elements.

[Droid803]

"Durasteel" is probably just some advanced alloy...
Like how steel is.

[ShivanEmperor]

Durasteel doesn't exist, meaning it could be far stronger than normal steel. I doupt 99.9% of elements in the universe are the same. SWG (Star Wars Galaxies) for example has several raw materials which are not found in the current Periodic Table. Take a look back in time... 4.4 billion years ago the world was just a toxic, sick world with no hope of life, until another planet, Thia (Or whatever its name is) crashed into earth. The two planets fussed, creating a brand new world. It is thanks to Thia that we have the elements on Earth today that allow life to exist in the way it currently does. Thia contained raw materials which made the world what it is today, thus before Thia crashed into Earth, Earth had very few resources. No doupt that other planets in the universe contain very different minerals, just as the difference between Earth and Thia before they collided. Just because these unknown alien elements don't come from Earth, doesn't mean you could instantly base any assumptions on them, but there is more than enough reason to conclude that any unknown alien element may be stronger than those found here on Earth. *Takes a deep breath*

[Fenrir]

I doupt 99.9% of elements in the universe are the same.

Depends on what universe we`re talking about. It may not be the case in the Star Wars universe, but it sure is in the real one. And I can`t think of any evidence to suggest that FreeSpace deviates from the real universe in that respect.

[Snail]

FreeSpace is in our galaxy 300 years in the future.

Star Wars is set a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

[colecampbell666]

Durasteel doesn't exist, meaning it could be far stronger than normal steel. I doupt 99.9% of elements in the universe are the same. SWG (Star Wars Galaxies) for example has several raw materials which are not found in the current Periodic Table. Take a look back in time... 4.4 billion years ago the world was just a toxic, sick world with no hope of life, until another planet, Thia (Or whatever its name is) crashed into earth. The two planets fussed, creating a brand new world. It is thanks to Thia that we have the elements on Earth today that allow life to exist in the way it currently does. Thia contained raw materials which made the world what it is today, thus before Thia crashed into Earth, Earth had very few resources. No doupt that other planets in the universe contain very different minerals, just as the difference between Earth and Thia before they collided. Just because these unknown alien elements don't come from Earth, doesn't mean you could instantly base any assumptions on them, but there is more than enough reason to conclude that any unknown alien element may be stronger than those found here on Earth. *Takes a deep breath*

But the GTVA also has control of many planets but Earth! And the Shivans have control of even more!

[ShivanEmperor]

It is clearly stated somewhere in FS2 that since the destruction of the Sol jump node, they have had little resources to mass produce weaponry and technology.

Yes, if Star Wars was in another galaxy, in a completly different time then there is no doupt that they would have different technology and completly different resources used to make them.

[Snail]

It is clearly stated somewhere in FS2 that since the destruction of the Sol jump node, they have had little resources to mass produce weaponry and technology.

THERE IS NO DATA! AUTHENTICATE! AUTHENTICATE!

[colecampbell666]

Um... No. All the destroyers, over 15 fleets, the Colossus, and what about the Shivans?

[Snail]

I fail to see how one pitiful solar system could have more resources than 28.

[colecampbell666]

BUT THE GTVA HAS A WHOLE GALAXY!!!

WHAT IS THIS?



That clearly shows more than 1 system.

EDIT: I now get what Snail's saying, but I'll leave that there to prove my point.