[KewlToyZ]

I'm trying to figure something out here with this mission....
Am I supposed to be a successful enemy pilot?
Or am I supposed to be mediocre and kill as few of my actual allies as possible?
I thought letting the Sunder be replaced by a decoy was the objective and minimize friendly casualties was the point?
I never saw the scans complete when I tried, looked all over for a scan button thought it was automated?
When I let the Sunder be replaced the mission was over, but I was not allowed to continue?

I even tried following Beta1 and just merely clear his 6 as the only friendly damage I did.
He stayed away from the battle so I did the same?

[General Battuta]

No. Kill all the NTF pilots. Kill them before their IFF even turns hostile.

This is the path to victory.

(Yes, I am being serious. You don't need to make any efforts to prevent NTF pilots from being killed...they're the enemy, after all. So long as the Hamako survives, you can proceed.)

[Stormkeeper]

Scans? You don't need to scan anything.

[Jeff Vader]

 

You are the evil bad guy agent of the GTVA who has infiltrated the ranks of the NTF, Your mission is to

1. Take out the NTF Hercs when or before they turn hostile and a few of them blow up.
2. Protect the actual Sunder and the Hamako from NTF fighters.
3. Once the actual Sunder has departed, the decoy will be blown up and you'll just chill out, waiting for the NTF corvette to arrive and get blamed.
4. Return to base.

Simple. Sometimes maybe challenging but not rocket science.

[Akalabeth Angel]

Sounds like he's talking about two different missions. For the Vasudan renegade mission, where GTVA forces attack you in the asteroids I generally just fly around and don't do combat. But for the other one you have to wax all the enemy pilots. For that mission you're essentially GTVA stealing an NTF freighter.

[Stormkeeper]

Actually, for Rebel's and Renegades, you just have to scan both the Hinton and the Iceni, then just concentrate on asteriod banging.

In Love the Treason, you just aim the NTF Hercs before their IFF turns, and after that just escort the Sunder.

[Snail]

Admiral Ahmose is a bad guy, kill all his mates.

[Stormkeeper]

Admiral Ahmose is a bad guy, kill all his mates.

QFT. Too bad you don't get to hunt him down proper.

[Snail]

The GTVA get rid of him, which makes the NTF even more suspicious about Snipes and Alpha 1.

[Stormkeeper]

Yea, but I would still have liked to hunt him down personally...

[Snail]

Well you do in BWO I think.

[Titan]

yup. too bad the 3rd mission has me screwd

[KewlToyZ]

I got through it, but the Knossus attack with the beta bomb (or what ever its called) is just kicking my teeth in everytime.
The mission isn't making any sense and my wingmen are dying like flies no matter how I assign them.
The other option I tried was watching things off to the side and ordering wingmen around to see what happens.
Regardless anytime I get close to the invasion forces after the first bomb goes off, I am swarmed and destroyed.
I flew the fastest ships and they still outrun me as well? I think this is an extreme flaw in the game as far as the rate of flight for AI to achieve. The patterns and ability to outrun are always the same?

[Jeff Vader]

the Knossus attack with the beta bomb (or what ever its called)

Beta, Meson... potato, potatoe...

The mission isn't making any sense and my wingmen are dying like flies no matter how I assign them.
The other option I tried was watching things off to the side and ordering wingmen around to see what happens.
Regardless anytime I get close to the invasion forces after the first bomb goes off, I am swarmed and destroyed.
I flew the fastest ships and they still outrun me as well? I think this is an extreme flaw in the game as far as the rate of flight for AI to achieve. The patterns and ability to outrun are always the same?

The mission makes a great deal of sense if you assign yourself a Horus and Taurets for your wingmen. When the mission starts and the Renenet arrives, order your wingmen to protect it and head towards the Shivans yourself. Fire a few shots to get them chasing you, hope that the "lure Shivans" objective is satisfied and head back to the Renenet. When the freighters arrive, protect them but remember to keep some distance to the Meson bombs. Easy.

[Akalabeth Angel]

I got through it, but the Knossus attack with the beta bomb (or what ever its called) is just kicking my teeth in everytime.
The mission isn't making any sense and my wingmen are dying like flies no matter how I assign them.
The other option I tried was watching things off to the side and ordering wingmen around to see what happens.
Regardless anytime I get close to the invasion forces after the first bomb goes off, I am swarmed and destroyed.
I flew the fastest ships and they still outrun me as well? I think this is an extreme flaw in the game as far as the rate of flight for AI to achieve. The patterns and ability to outrun are always the same?

       If you take a Horus and direct power to engines, nothing the Shivans have should be able to outrun you. Remember, Shivan fighters have heavy shielding but weak hulls. This means that friendly AAAf is excellent for taking them out. If you lure them back to the Sobek, the ship will make short work of them. You just gotta keep yourself alive in the interim.

[KewlToyZ]

I'll go back and try it.
What about this Shivan Juggernaut?
The missiles at times wont lock on to the beam weapons at all for sitting targeted on them within 300 units for over 2 minutes? If I move off of target, the subsystems and turret targeting will never target them again either?
And the missiles never seem to do the same amount of damage?
I've had the entire system crash everytime I get more than two of them knocked out?

[Jeff Vader]

What about this Shivan Juggernaut?
The missiles at times wont lock on to the beam weapons at all for sitting targeted on them within 300 units for over 2 minutes? If I move off of target, the subsystems and turret targeting will never target them again either?
And the missiles never seem to do the same amount of damage?
I've had the entire system crash everytime I get more than two of them knocked out?

We have now proceeded to Bearbaiting, right? In that case,

A. Don't use missiles. The Helios torpedoes are a lot more fun. Dual-firing them at a beam cannon from a proper distance with a proper speed will result in a dead beam cannon.
2. Remember to rearm, since your missile banks will hold 4 torpedoes, taking out a beam cannon takes two torpedoes, there are 4 beam cannons and... well, do the math.
D. What sort of a crash? What build were you using? System specs? I've never had a single crash on this particular mission. Or any retail mission, for that matter.

[Stormkeeper]

Use the Helios first; the Trebuchets are strictly for clean-up. Also, assigning all your wingmen to focus on two of the beam cannons should allow you to destroy all 4.

[KewlToyZ]

Thanks guys slowly figuring it out.
I am using the v10 build.
Stable for the most part until that mission.
I hated the marker bouys
Took forever to go through that area and not lose position.
What drove me really crazy was #7 was next to #1.

[Stormkeeper]

Ahhhh. Everyone probably knows which mission you're talking about. Its "When Lightning Falls"! Everyone gets some what fustrated by that mission. Just follow the navbouys. You'll get to the Grall.



...Eventually.