[Fearless Leader]

The Israelis started up the war with Lebanon again last year because, what, 4 of their soldiers got killed? FYI, the Israelis were already killing loads of Lebanese soldiers. Sure, it's probably a lot more complicated than that, but the Israelis don't "just want peace".

That's the most naive statement I've heard.

Wouldn't you feel a lot better bout being a citizen of whatever country you belong to if you knew your entire nation would go to war if somebody from another country killed or kidnapped you? I know I would, because if some guys from Canada or Mexico killed me i know nothing would happen.

[Snail]

Sure but if you "just want peace" you would probably forgo the lives of a few prisoners.

[karajorma]

Or try diplomatic means rather than go to war with another nation simply because some terrorist not supported by that nations government did something.

Especially when every sensible person was telling you that the war would simply create more terrorists.

[Snail]

I think some people here think that this is a storybook where there are good guys and bad guys.

[peterv]

And propaganda is a spookie story for crackpots whith broken english. 

[Scuddie]

The storybook analogy is correct.  The problem is that most of the world think Israel are one of the good guys. 

[karajorma]

Pity the same people who seem to believe that Israel is one of the good guys seem to forget that the biggest single act of terrorism in Palestine was carried out by the Israelis against the British on the orders of a man that later became prime minister of the country.

[Janos]

I think some people here think that this is a storybook where there are good guys and bad guys.

Tell us more about the reality, please.

[NGTM-1R]

Pity the same people who seem to believe that Israel is one of the good guys seem to forget that the biggest single act of terrorism in Palestine was carried out by the Israelis against the British on the orders of a man that later became prime minister of the country.

It was also funny how suddenly they all forgot that the Soviet Union supported the creation of the state of Israel because they figured anyone who harassed the Brits was good people.

[karajorma]

What's really strange is how quickly the British forgot.

[Daeron]

What's really strange is how quickly the British forgot.

When things like that aren't being taught during history lessons, it only requires the generation of that time to grow old for people to forget.

[Scuddie]

Even stranger than that is the thought that the British did all of this on purpose, and was forgotten intentionally.

EDIT:  Damn.  Instaposted.

[Fearless Leader]

I think some people here think that this is a storybook where there are good guys and bad guys.

Tell us more about the reality, please.

I know some about this. the bad guys are "Them" or "They". They usually have different ideas and weird looking weapons. The good guys are "Us" or "We".... sometimes "The UN", We have similar ideas and our weapons look familiar and safe to stand on the back side of.

We fight Them, because They are bad...

[Scuddie]

You did not just call the UN good, did you?  The UN is apathetic at best.

[Aardwolf]

The UN has repeatedly attempted to censure Israel for its agression and use of excessive force, and in most such cases the motions have been blocked by the United States. The UN is not apathetic, the UN is just being bullied by a member state which shouldn't have been given as much power as it has.

[rant]

That's like saying it's the (US) Democratic party's fault certain bills have or haven't been passed, when the Republican party can filibuster anything they put before the Senate, and when they have done so on more counts since they came into power than any other Senate in US history.

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[Fearless Leader]

Did I forget to put the "[sarcasm] ... [/sarcasm]" things on?

[Aardwolf]

No, it was actually pretty obvious.