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Re: kevin caccamo's landreich campaign?
any plans for a gettyburg class?

 

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I think they turned out very well.

 
 
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Jup its starting to look better.
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Re: kevin caccamo's landreich campaign?
Wasn't it also mentioned in the books that the Landreich had some quite weird modifications of standart fighters like a Ferret with an oversized engine or something like that?
Could be interesting to see. Still you would have to balance out the additional speed you gain as the drawback from the book, that this version has a tendancy do blow up, is hard to simulate I guess ^_^

I've recently been working on an implementation of engine overheating.



It's implemented using SEXPs and variables.  Going full speed will make your engine overheat, and using your afterburner will make it overheat faster.

I've also started writing the WCHF demo mission scripts.  I'm outlining the winning/losing paths and what exactly will happen in each mission.
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Re: kevin caccamo's landreich campaign?
Thats a pretty cool feature. I like it ^_^
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Re: kevin caccamo's landreich campaign?
Thats a pretty cool feature. I like it ^_^
Same here.
Well done. And good luck with the script.
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I was thinking... might there be any way to pilot some exotic ships like the morningstar or wraith later on in the campaign? technically landreich might have a supply of those ships when going against that cat dreadnaught... they are not excaliburs but still they could get the job done...

 

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Re: kevin caccamo's landreich campaign?
Morningstars and Wraith where prototype fighters that where expansive even by confed standarts. I doubt that Confed would sell them to the Landreich. Also considering what problems the Landreich has with supplying their common fighters, a reason why there are so many patchwork versions of confeds standarts, I doubt that the Landreich had whats needed to keep them operational. At least they would be somewhat inferrior to their Confed counterparts.
Also when does the campaing takes place? When its during the WC2 era then these fighters where hightech. Confed mostly sold only stuff that was phased out to the Landreich.
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Re: kevin caccamo's landreich campaign?
i have here another Modell:
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=17586.0

i could send you the pof file :)
Why not simply releasing it to the public? :)

@gevatter Lars: It takes place during False Colors.

I also see no reason why the Landreich shouldn't have Bengals, Gettysburgs and other old crates like the Durango, Yorktown/Ranger, Gilgamesh, Waterloo et cetera.

In case you wish to include Bengals: Those ones are known:
TCS Beacontree
TCS Bengal
TCS Eagle's Talon
TCS Exeter
TCS Kipling (rechristened into BWS Dauntless (Unknown Enemy Fiction Viewer))
TCS Kyoto
TCS Tiger's Claw (destroyed 2656)
TCS Trafalgar (destroyed 2668)
TCS Wolfhound
TCS Vanguard

And I've found a list of ships that the Landreich uses:
http://www.wcnews.com/encyclopedia/showlist.php?section=shipclasses&faction=4
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Re: kevin caccamo's landreich campaign?
The Landreich is not the BW. Landreich is just 2 Systems.
Just 2 systems? According to this map (http://www.wcnews.com/maps/ and http://www.wcnews.com/maps/sectors/landreich.png), the FRL has more. But then again, that map represents the WC Universe during WC Prophecy and Secret Ops. (You know, I haven't read the books yet)
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Re: kevin caccamo's landreich campaign?
I think Deathsnake is refering to my post over at the WingCenter regarding the Landreichs size.
Frankly I don't know the exact size of the Landreich. From the novels I allways had the impression that its very small. Also as mentioned above, the map is the Prophecy-time map. I don't know if the Landreich was this big in the past or if it might have been even bigger or smaller. We pretty much don't have any answeres.
The other thing about this map is, there are a lot more starsystems in it then in the original Prophecy map. I think they put together parts from all games, novels etc.
Still if you want to take it as a basis for the mod its the best way to start as we don't have much else.

Concerning what the Landreich has when it comes to its fleet size its pretty much what Deathsnake says...as its more or less what I posted over at the WingCenter. ^_^
If you go with the novels the Landreich uses mostly old stuff that they bought from Confed but it also seams that they use a lot of junk they find and put it back together.

When it comes to the number of carriers, Confed is even using ships as old as the "TCS Victory" and others of its class. I would say that Confeds willingness to sell carriers that are even better then these old rust buckets is pretty low.
Most likely the Landreich might manage to salvage a carrier or buy allmost not repairable, by Confed standarts, carriers and put them back together. Add some extra guns to it, rember the external gunports that they put on the Tarawa, something like that and patches of armor over the bigger holes.
Buying intakt carriers or even battleships from Confed...well I doubt it a little bit. Might happen that they manage to buy one or two of them but not much more.
The Landreich might also have converted ships like the "TCS Tarawa" or the Durango class. Putting external boxes that are beeing used as runways on Exeter hulls. Not like the Standoff team that cutted out a part of the hull. I mean a real add-on flightdeck or even just "clamps/external docking ports" where the pilots have to go out in a spacesuit to their fighters. Be creative, think of people who have no real weapon production or shipyards. Improvise ^_^

I would guess that the Landreich militia would consisst mostly of destroyers and corvettes as these where pretty common during the entire wartime. Add some cruiser to it and maybe one or two battlecruiser like the Gettysburg. It would also be one of these rare moments where you could show one of the old battleships that where used before the invention of the shield brakeing torpedos. They would most likely look like the Concordia from the Wing Commander Movie.
Still could be fun to see one of these around ^_^

As for the Kilrathi ships, I think there was a passage that mentioned that Ralaris where pretty often captured by Confed forces. Wouldn't wonder if the Landreich would also do that.
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Re: kevin caccamo's landreich campaign?
That's off topic but does anyone here know what the "grovsner colonies" are? they appear to be another faction of the Wc universe very much like the landreich only much smaller...

 

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As for the Prophecy star map: It does show a "Landreich Sector" but  that does not necessarily mean all those systems actually belong to the FRL. Could be a name chosen by the first colonists.

I really doubt the FRLN has a single Bengal carrier. Confed needs all carriers they can muster and even after the war they wouldn´t just sell one of their finest warships. Actually, I doubt they ever built 36 of those ships.

 
Re: kevin caccamo's landreich campaign?
What do you think, Talon_1024?
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Re: kevin caccamo's landreich campaign?
I really doubt the FRLN has a single Bengal carrier. Confed needs all carriers they can muster and even after the war they wouldn´t just sell one of their finest warships. Actually, I doubt they ever built 36 of those ships.

Perhaps after between WC4-Prophecy when they got out of their post-war depression slump and started building new stuff, they started getting rid of their very old carriers.
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Maybe years later when Confed has newer super-carriers to count on. Though, Kevin´s campaign is supposed to play before WC4 and Prophecy when the events of False Colors take place. That´s right after the war and I simply doubt, Confed would just sell a powerful strike carrier to some defiant colony-alliance whose leader is still being charged with desertion and incitement of secession.
And again, are there really so many Bengal class strike-carriers left, Confed can get rid of? Confed suffered a severe lack of carriers at least since the Battle for Earth, so why should they just sell off those precious vessels to a renegade like Krüger? Please, let the Landreich forces come up with some makshift for a carrier like the Intrepid. Even captured Kilrathi-Ships like the Fralthi could do the job of a carrier.

 

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Re: kevin caccamo's landreich campaign?
The WCSaga 3.6.12 mod has been updated.  Unfortunately, I had to remove the shockwave because it was from TBP, but there is some new stuff in there for people to play with.



There won't be any captured Fralthis or Bengals or Gettysburgs in the WCHF demo.  I want to stick as close to the established WC canon as possible, while only using retcons that are within reasonable boundaries.  So I will only want to use retcons if the player somehow manages to change the course of canon events...  For example, a proud heroic player may be able to save the tender Sindri from the 20 Guild Broadswords.
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Re: kevin caccamo's landreich campaign?
how does the tender look? it's not the same as the carnagie factory ship right?

 
Re: kevin caccamo's landreich campaign?
Wow, I'm looking at the universe map FekLeyrTarg posted, and I had no idea WC took place in such a large freaking area.  Heck, I didn't even know there were Wing Commander novels until reading this thread.
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Re: kevin caccamo's landreich campaign?
but that's the factory ship, right? is the tender different?