[Vertigo 7]

Yay for more questions... ok today's topic, I've got both of the archangel battleship models that trashman did. I've been fixing a few minor bugs and adding glow points to them but ive come across one that i can't solve. the MKII and MKI both use the same name plate texture. On the MK2, however, the texture background on the name plate is invisible. It renders in fred and in game with the star background. the MK1 its transparent to the hull texture so its working right.

In all of the models of his that I have the name plates are just textures, except the mk2. the mk2 actually has name plate sub objects. If i delete the sub object the name plate goes away and i see the hull like im sposed ta, but... no name plate.  How to fix0r?

oh and one other thing, debug is also giving me an error on LOD mismatch on both of the battleship moddels, says "POF needs 5" but in the model itself there are 5 LOD's... i r confused on that one

[blowfish]

About the nameplates ... this has to do with the fact that transparent parts of the ship must be rendered last, and child objects are rendered before their parents.  So basically, if you have detail0 with nameplates as a subobject, the nameplates will be rendered first, causing this problem.  There is no way to fix this other than editing the hierarchy in TrueSpace.

[Vertigo 7]

i dont have a problem doing that... if you've got the time to walk me through doing that i'd love ta do it. i've got TS 7.6 on here, i've just never used it before

[blowfish]

i dont have a problem doing that... if you've got the time to walk me through doing that i'd love ta do it. i've got TS 7.6 on here, i've just never used it before

Hmm ... this might be a bit harder if you've never used TrueSpace before, but I'll do my best.  Hopefully others can help where needed .  The first thing you need to do is install TrueView (a hierarchy editing extension).  Download it here, and hopefully the install process will go smoothly.  To add it into TS 7, there should be a button near the bottom of the screen that says "add new TrueSpace extension" or something like that.  Click it, and locate TrueView.  Now there should be a TrueView icon near the add new extension icon.  I'll post the rest once you get this much done

[Vertigo 7]

ok thats done and i've converted the model to cob but i didn't convert the textures, will i need to do that?

[blowfish]

You will need to convert all of the textures to BMP, and put them in the same directory as the COB.  After that is done, import the COB into TrueSpace, and open TrueView.  There will probably be something called LOD0.  Expand it.  Now there should be a something inside that called nameplates.  Expand that.  The actual nameplates geometry is represented by a solid cube called nameplates.  Right click it, and unglue.  You can delete the nameplates group now (the one that is still a child of LOD0, and has two lights in it).  Now, the actual nameplates object should be at the bottom of the list.  Rename it to z_nameplates.  Then drag it onto LOD0 to group it.  It should appear as the last object in LOD0.  Now, save as SCN and import into PCS2.  You will want to do a global import of the original POF to get all of the data that is lost going through COB.  Now save the POF.  If all of that worked correctly and I didn't forget anything, the model should be working now.

[Vertigo 7]

I'm assuming you're talking about the gray cube in true view called nameplates (expanded out from the red cube called nameplates) when i right click on it, i dont get any kind of pop up menu.

[blowfish]

I'm assuming you're talking about the gray cube in true view called nameplates (expanded out from the red cube called nameplates) when i right click on it, i dont get any kind of pop up menu.

Yep, that's the cube.  All right.  This is easier.  Just rename the gray cube to z_nameplates and then drag it onto LOD0.  Then delete the red cube and continue

[Vertigo 7]

gasp... that simple? ok... now when i opened up the cob to begin with it *****ed about some missing textures, xBeam02.bmp and .bmp (i was like huh?) anyways, in pcs2 ive been searching and searching to find where that xbeam02 is used at and i swear its not being used. is that and the .bmp going to be a problem?

[Vertigo 7]

oh and how do i rename it? >.>

[blowfish]

gasp... that simple? ok... now when i opened up the cob to begin with it *****ed about some missing textures, xBeam02.bmp and .bmp (i was like huh?) anyways, in pcs2 ive been searching and searching to find where that xbeam02 is used at and i swear its not being used. is that and the .bmp going to be a problem?

Yeah, any textures that are used will be a problem if TS doesn't find them.  Just go through the texture list and make sure you have everything.  I can't see where it's being used either but chances are it is being used somewhere.

And to rename an object in TS, just click the name and wait a second or two and it should allow you to rename it.

[Vertigo 7]

its not letting me rename it =/ i clicked on it, waited... double clicked on it, even tripple clicked on it =p

[blowfish]

OK.  Here's how to do it.  Select the object you want to rename, and there's this weird icon at the top of the true view window next to the X icon.  Click it and you should be able to rename.

[Vertigo 7]

i donno if its cuz TS is going so friggin slow but it's not letting me rename it. soon as i click on the icon next to the X (the one that looks like a piece of paper and a nub) it deselects the object

[blowfish]

Odd.  Try downloading TS 3 from somewhere and see if it works better.  TS7 runs slow for me too.

[Vertigo 7]

haha as soon as i posted that, i changed to workspace view and back to model view, it put TS on crack or somethin, anyway i clicked once on the object and it let me rename it

[Vertigo 7]

ok do i save scene or save object? and if i save scene how do i get the model back into pcs2?

[blowfish]

Yes.  Save as a TS scene.  PCS2 can import those.

Well, it was designed to import TS3 scenes, so if that doesn't work, select LOD0 EDIT:select the whole scene and save as COB.

[Vertigo 7]

you rox... worked like a charm, had to save as ts 4.3 cob. I can't thank ya enough! One last question... this detail mismatch error in debug, how do i make it go away? =p more specificially,

Code: [Select]

Warning: For ship 'GTVBS Archangel Mark II', detail level
mismatch (POF needs 5)
File: ship.cpp
Line: 9321


Call stack:
------------------------------------------------------------------
    fred2_open_3_6_10d-20080723_CHIEF_4712.exe 0086a632()
    fred2_open_3_6_10d-20080723_CHIEF_4712.exe 0086b46c()
    fred2_open_3_6_10d-20080723_CHIEF_4712.exe 0086a452()
    fred2_open_3_6_10d-20080723_CHIEF_4712.exe 008513e9()
    fred2_open_3_6_10d-20080723_CHIEF_4712.exe 00dae2e6()
    fred2_open_3_6_10d-20080723_CHIEF_4712.exe 00dad5a2()
    fred2_open_3_6_10d-20080723_CHIEF_4712.exe 00da9d50()
    fred2_open_3_6_10d-20080723_CHIEF_4712.exe 00daa466()
    USER32.dll 75cb8807()
    USER32.dll 75cb8962()
    USER32.dll 75cbc62c()
    USER32.dll 75cbc652()
    OPENGL32.dll 6a17834f()
    USER32.dll 75cb8807()
    USER32.dll 75cb8962()
------------------------------------------------------------------


[blowfish]

That one I don't know how to fix