[Nuke]

Honestly, I don't like hillary but wouldn't you rather have her than another bush clone?  

i think its unfair to call mccain a bush clone. just because their both in the same party does not make them carbon copies. mccain is far closer to the middle than the republicans want. the problem with a 2 party system is that there really isnt much of a selection to choose from. you either get a hard core republican or a hard core democrat. its that contrast that makes this government (sorta) work. i think were actually kinda fortunate to have someone closer to middle ground to vote for.

also i think it would be a bad idea to have a president who is resistant to going to war with the current state of the world. we need somone who will keep the russians in check if need be. i never bought the whole war on terror bs, but the damn russians are something to be concerned about. mccain might send out troops, but with obama he would either sit on the issue untill its too late to do any good or his god complex might come out and make him start lobbing nukes at russia. as much as i think MAD would be really cool, im still not voting for obama. mccain at least directly understands the consequences of war and hes the perfect canidate should **** hit the fan with the russians.

it may not occure to many but it seems that theyve been paving the way for obama for some time now. pop culture has been memorizing young white americans with hedonistic black music for years. making them into self racists and potential voters for a black national with a socialist adgenda. then you get this guy biden, who is obviously sucking riaa/mpaa dick by supporting anti consumer policys. seems like they said "if you help us get this guy into office, we will pass laws to make it harder to violate copywrite law". call it a conspiracy theory but **** like this happens all the time (its called lobbying) and it seems kind of obvious to me.

[Spicious]

i think its unfair to call mccain a bush clone. just because their both in the same party does not make them carbon copies. mccain is far closer to the middle than the republicans want.

In the past perhaps, but not any more.

also i think it would be a bad idea to have a president who is resistant to going to war with the current state of the world.

It seems a slightly better idea than one just itching to go to war.

mccain might send out troops,

Straight into Iran.

but with obama he would either sit on the issue untill its too late to do any good or his god complex might come out and make him start lobbing nukes at russia.

Wha?

mccain at least directly understands the consequences of war and hes the perfect canidate should **** hit the fan with the russians.

Why?

it may not occure to many but it seems that theyve been paving the way for obama for some time now. pop culture has been memorizing young white americans with hedonistic black music for years. making them into self racists and potential voters for a black national with a socialist adgenda.

You're right, the only reason white people could ever vote for a black person is if they were brainwashed. They couldn't vote for a black person just because his policies aren't just a repeat of policies that ****ed up both the military and the economy. It has to be 'self-racism'.

then you get this guy biden, who is obviously sucking riaa/mpaa dick by supporting anti consumer policys. seems like they said "if you help us get this guy into office, we will pass laws to make it harder to violate copywrite law". call it a conspiracy theory but **** like this happens all the time (its called lobbying) and it seems kind of obvious to me.

This is in no way specific to either candidate.

[General Battuta]

Seconded, Spicious. Particularly liked this:-

You're right, the only reason white people could ever vote for a black person is if they were brainwashed. They couldn't vote for a black person just because his policies aren't just a repeat of policies that ****ed up both the military and the economy. It has to be 'self-racism'.

People seem to think that bringing up race in a backhanded way is somehow less racist.

[Bob-san]

I don't care about race--but I care about platform. The implementation of socialism that the democrats want is in my opinion wrong. Too much expense, taking care of people who don't need it, and throwing money at the law.

Anyways--Obama, in my opinion, is just another celebrity. McCain's attack ads did get that portion correct--he came out of nowhere to oppose Hillary, got the underdog spot right, and is now the democratic nomination. I am afraid with Obama--he's not been on the national stage long enough to know when someone will or will not manipulate him. Neither have the decision-making skills--both are acquainted with the Senate. We don't need someone who will deliberate with the Senate the entire time--and that goes against them both. Even so, I see McCain as a much more solid candidate than Obama. We know what Bush has been like, and we know that McCain isn't as conservative as Bush was. I doubt he'll throw troops into Iran--if the Republican agenda would be to start WWIII, there'd already be troops in Iran. As for Iraq--my step brother did two tours of duty in the Army. After several injuries, he's seriously considering reenlisting. He thinks the job isn't done yet--we're still needed there. From a soldier, that is quite a lot.

[General Battuta]

Obama's plan to pull out of Iraq isn't much faster than McCain's. They're roughly comparable. The last thing he wants to do is cut and run.

Obama plans to get a lot of his funding for health care reform -- and other 'big-budget' projects -- by cutting waste, not by hiking taxes. Taxes will be rolled back to their level before the Bush cuts, or kept the same if you're below a certain income threshold, but beyond that they won't go up.

However, I don't want to get drawn into a political debate, so I'll just leave it at this. Such debates are rarely productive, especially on the Internet.

[Nuke]

I don't care about race--but I care about platform. The implementation of socialism that the democrats want is in my opinion wrong. Too much expense, taking care of people who don't need it, and throwing money at the law.

Anyways--Obama, in my opinion, is just another celebrity. McCain's attack ads did get that portion correct--he came out of nowhere to oppose Hillary, got the underdog spot right, and is now the democratic nomination. I am afraid with Obama--he's not been on the national stage long enough to know when someone will or will not manipulate him. Neither have the decision-making skills--both are acquainted with the Senate. We don't need someone who will deliberate with the Senate the entire time--and that goes against them both. Even so, I see McCain as a much more solid candidate than Obama. We know what Bush has been like, and we know that McCain isn't as conservative as Bush was. I doubt he'll throw troops into Iran--if the Republican agenda would be to start WWIII, there'd already be troops in Iran. As for Iraq--my step brother did two tours of duty in the Army. After several injuries, he's seriously considering reenlisting. He thinks the job isn't done yet--we're still needed there. From a soldier, that is quite a lot.

pretty much right on. you wouldnt have a surgeon leave an operating room before the job was done. same can be said for a war. you cant send your guys in, shoot up all the infrastructure, leaving half the targets because some hippies back home didnt like it. they do not understand what war is about. they dont understand that there are people, world leaders and entire countries out there that dont share their ethics and would torture and kill you if you tried to explain your way of thinking to them.

we spend billions working on weapons which are designed to cause as little collateral damage as possible, while other nations spend less money on weapons with of splash damage (nukes for example). that we can destroy a hostile target a few yards from a mosque without damaging the mosque is a rather impressive feat. sure friendly fire does happen but less than it used too.

the presidency is not about race, its about running a super power, and i don't think that is something obama is capable of.

[BloodEagle]

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we spend billions working on weapons which are designed to cause as little collateral damage as possible, while other nations spend less money on weapons with of splash damage (nukes for example). that we can destroy a hostile target a few yards from a mosque without damaging the mosque is a rather impressive feat. sure friendly fire does happen but less than it used too.

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Smart weapons are not accurate.

[Nuke]

Smart weapons are not accurate.

they are only as accurate as our intel. so bad **** does happen. war is like that. but ive seen enough gun camera footage of smart weapons hitting things to make me think theyre onto something.

[Hellstryker]

Not that any of you care or believe in what i'm about to say, but Biden, I learned, happens to support the NWO and NAU

[Nuclear1]

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we spend billions working on weapons which are designed to cause as little collateral damage as possible, while other nations spend less money on weapons with of splash damage (nukes for example). that we can destroy a hostile target a few yards from a mosque without damaging the mosque is a rather impressive feat. sure friendly fire does happen but less than it used too.

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Smart weapons are not accurate.

Actually they are.

[BloodEagle]

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we spend billions working on weapons which are designed to cause as little collateral damage as possible, while other nations spend less money on weapons with of splash damage (nukes for example). that we can destroy a hostile target a few yards from a mosque without damaging the mosque is a rather impressive feat. sure friendly fire does happen but less than it used too.

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Smart weapons are not accurate.

Actually they are.

IIRC, the first six smart bombs launched during Iraqi Freedom missed their intended targets.

[Hellstryker]

Not that any of you care or believe in what i'm about to say, but Biden, I learned, happens to support the NWO and NAU

http://www.infowars.com/?p=4140
Had to dig up der link, sorry

[Dark RevenantX]

Smart weapons are precise.  No weapon is truly accurate.

[Spicious]

pretty much right on. you wouldnt have a surgeon leave an operating room before the job was done.

You wouldn't start surgery with a moron off the street operating on someone who doesn't need surgery in an operating room lacking the resources to complete the surgery, especially when you start off by ignoring all the advice of and pissing off every surgeon.

same can be said for a war. you cant send your guys in, shoot up all the infrastructure,

You don't have to shoot up all the infrastructure. Isn't the point of modern weaponry to not destroy everything?

leaving half the targets because some hippies back home didnt like it. they do not understand what war is about. they dont understand that there are people, world leaders and entire countries out there that dont share their ethics and would torture and kill you if you tried to explain your way of thinking to them.

I thought the war was about getting rid of people who aren't very nice. You can't really call it a success if you go around their country subjugating the people with similar techniques.

we spend billions working on weapons which are designed to cause as little collateral damage as possible,

Great, move that funding somewhere useful then. It clearly didn't help much.

the presidency is not about race, its about running a super power, and i don't think that is something obama is capable of.

Of course not, he's far too elitist.

[TrashMan]

IMHO, Obama is full of hot air. Big words, nice speeches - but nothing more. That's why I'd never vote for him.
I just get an earie feeling about him - like he has "someone puppet" stamped on his forehead.

[Spicious]

like he has "someone puppet" stamped on his forehead.

Of course, McCain pretty much has "Christian Right puppet" stamped on his head.

[BloodEagle]

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Smart weapons are not accurate.

Actually they are.

IIRC, the first six smart bombs launched during Iraqi Freedom missed their intended targets.

Smart weapons are precise.  No weapon is truly accurate.

Check out part 9. I'd say they're pretty damned imprecise.

Why We Fight pt. 1
Why We Fight pt. 2
Why We Fight pt. 3
Why We Fight pt. 4
Why We Fight pt. 5
Why We Fight pt. 6
Why We Fight pt. 7
Why We Fight pt. 8
Why We Fight pt. 9
Why We Fight pt. 10

[NGTM-1R]

Very precise.

However, the final part of the system remains a human operator, and he's not so good.

[Mongoose]

Of course, McCain pretty much has "Christian Right puppet" stamped on his head.

If you're going to accuse any Republican of being a "Christian Right puppet," it's probably least appropriate to McCain.  He's been very much a centrist throughout most of his political career, which is the main reason most hardcore Republicans were rather dead-set against him getting the nomination in the first place.  He may be courting evangelical voters at the moment, but that's kind of a given, seeing as he needs that voting base if he hopes to win the election...and Obama's been right there with him, albeit to a different extent.

You wouldn't start surgery with a moron off the street operating on someone who doesn't need surgery in an operating room lacking the resources to complete the surgery, especially when you start off by ignoring all the advice of and pissing off every surgeon.

You mean those same other surgeons who fully agreed that there was a reasonable cause for surgery until they themselves received the same information as the first surgeon invalidating it?

(Who doesn't love extended, tenuous metaphors?)

[BengalTiger]

IIRC, the first six smart bombs launched during Iraqi Freedom missed their intended targets.

And?

In the times before smart bombs, how many missed their targets?

In WW II often more than one carpet bombing of more than 100 planes, with a dozen bombs each were required to hit a large factory.

Today, a single bomb from a single plane can hit not only a factory, but also a house or even truck size target, meaning modern weapons are perhaps hundreds of times more accurate than their WW II counterparts.

But if you think preventing the tens of thousands of unneeded deaths due to inaccurate weapons used in massive airstrikes is something useless, fine.