[Androgeos Exeunt]

I'm still neutral.

[Mefustae]

I'm still neutral.

And we still don't care.

[Nuke]

John Mccain reminds me of Kerry...all his spouting of "I was in Vietnam and i've got a purple heart."

Edit: Maybe they are the same person....or at least so similar that it's hard to distinguish them....

yes but unlike kerry, he got to stay at the hanoi hilton for awhile, where he got the club gitmo treatment. so he understands, directly the cost of war. id never want someone running a war who was never in a war, who never had to deal with the pleasure of being shot at, captured, and tortured.

.One word.  Hatemonger.  Vague, yes, but so very explanatory.

i hope youre refering to obama, i, as a hate monger, know my own kind, and i can tell you that mccain isnt one of us. obama on the other hand, well, hes one of those black people who wants "redemption" (its called the civil ****ing war, bloodiest conflict in american hiostory!) for years of slavery (and a slave he never was), and so he wants to bog down society with more affirmative action, taking more money away from hard working white americans and giving it to lazy black thugs who collect welfare and deal drugs (all my drug dealers were all black ). anyway i do admire respectable black people who have made successful lives for themselves despite the issues with living in a "white dominated society". but when i see somone dressed in fubu listinging to music about smoking crack and killing people and complaining because their welfare check got cut, makes me wonder if it would just be better if they stop being self absorbed children and grow up like the rest of us have to. there are poor white people you know

[neo_hermes]

Choices. everyone has the ability to make a choice for the better and for the worse. You can Choose Mccain or you can choose Obama. I for one am choosing Obama. why? simply i want change and i'm curious as to see where obama and the democrats will take us.

[Nuke]

Choices. everyone has the ability to make a choice for the better and for the worse. You can Choose Mccain or you can choose Obama.

if anyone doesnt understand that, then they are in the wrong thread

I for one am choosing Obama. why? simply i want change and i'm curious as to see where obama and the democrats will take us.

i still dont know what "change" is, im anxiously waiting for obama to reveal that. from what i can extrapolate, he wants to redistribute wealth in arbitrary ways and implement socialism. no thanks.

[neo_hermes]

where do you get socialism from?

[karajorma]

i still dont know what "change" is, im anxiously waiting for obama to reveal that. from what i can extrapolate, he wants to redistribute wealth in arbitrary ways

As opposed to the sensible from the poor to the rich method the republicans like?

[Nuke]

i dont know where you get your propaganda from. they are both small government types.

[Scuddie]

John Mccain reminds me of Kerry...all his spouting of "I was in Vietnam and i've got a purple heart."

Edit: Maybe they are the same person....or at least so similar that it's hard to distinguish them....

yes but unlike kerry, he got to stay at the hanoi hilton for awhile, where he got the club gitmo treatment. so he understands, directly the cost of war. id never want someone running a war who was never in a war, who never had to deal with the pleasure of being shot at, captured, and tortured.

And I'd never want someone running a war who has received the kind of mental damage that a situation like that would cause.

.One word.  Hatemonger.  Vague, yes, but so very explanatory.

i hope youre refering to obama, i, as a hate monger, know my own kind, and i can tell you that mccain isnt one of us. obama on the other hand, well, hes one of those black people who wants "redemption" (its called the civil ****ing war, bloodiest conflict in american hiostory!) for years of slavery (and a slave he never was), and so he wants to bog down society with more affirmative action, taking more money away from hard working white americans and giving it to lazy black thugs who collect welfare and deal drugs (all my drug dealers were all black ). anyway i do admire respectable black people who have made successful lives for themselves despite the issues with living in a "white dominated society". but when i see somone dressed in fubu listinging to music about smoking crack and killing people and complaining because their welfare check got cut, makes me wonder if it would just be better if they stop being self absorbed children and grow up like the rest of us have to. there are poor white people you know

I see what you did there...  but could have been better.  6/10.

[karajorma]

i dont know where you get your propaganda from. they are both small government types.

On the economy, McCain says he would make the Bush tax cuts permanent instead of letting them expire, he would eliminate the Alternative Minimum Tax, he would double the personal exemption for dependents, reduce the corporate tax rate, and offer a new research and development tax credit.

Before the tax cuts were signed President Bush was urged by 450 economists, including 10 Nobel Prize Laureates, in the Economists' statement opposing the Bush tax cuts not to implement his tax cuts. Economists Peter Orzsag and William Gale described the Bush tax cuts as reverse government redistribution of wealth, "[shifting] the burden of taxation away from upper-income, capital-owning households and toward the wage-earning households of the lower and middle classes.

Yeah. He's all about helping the poor.

[neo_hermes]

Hopefully The "Sheep" that follow McCain catch wind of whats going on before it's too late...

[BengalTiger]

Funny that an a pro-Republican dominated forum I visit they call the pro-Democrats "sheep"...

[neo_hermes]

sheep is a pretty popular word..

[karajorma]

Funny that an a pro-Republican dominated forum I visit they call the pro-Democrats "sheep"...

If you pretend really hard you can almost believe they actually understood what it meant when they were called that before parroting it back at the Democrats.

[Bob-san]

I support McCain. I'm a Democratic Socialist, but I think how the Democratic party wants to implement Socialism is fundamentally wrong and very wrong for this time period.

[karajorma]

I support McCain. I'm a Democratic Socialist, but I think how the Democratic party wants to implement Socialism is fundamentally wrong and very wrong for this time period.

Surely the sensible choice then would be to vote for someone who does support your politics even if that means spending it on a 3rd party who won't win rather than someone who is the very antithesis of them then?

[BengalTiger]

If you pretend really hard...

...The Democrat supporters ain't sheep.  

They call 'em sheep because of the 'why can't we get along' philosophy, that disagrees with my (and a couple other members' here) signature... IIRC the whole thing began here:

http://www.blackwaterusa.com/btw2004/articles/0726sheep.html

[NGTM-1R]

Somebody brought up an interesting point to me today. While we blame Bush for the economy, and doubtless he deserves to shoulder a good amount of it, in a very real sense we are forgetting that for the last couple of Congressional elections, we have had a Democratic congress. And put bluntly, the Executive Branch is in the driver's seat, but Congress navigates. At best, Congress has probably been engaged in sabotaging any serious efforts to deal with the situation since the campaign started months ago so the Democrats could take the presidency; at worst, they have an equal or greater share of the blame.

[BengalTiger]

“Con" is the opposite of "pro," so "congress" must be the opposite of "progress."


And since we're at it, a couple quotes from Obama's website (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ and the pages it links to):

President Bush's policies of giving tax breaks for the wealthy will cost the nation over $2.3 trillion by the time they expire in 2009.

What he's trying to say, is that the wealthy payed Americans over $2.3 trillion bucks more than they would if they had to pay the money as taxes. He also doesn't like it when rich people buy services and products from poorer people. He thinks that it would be better to take the cash as taxes, and redistribute some of it with no work being done by those who recieve it. And this is the part I disagree most with socialism.

Obama will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons, and pursue it. Obama will always maintain a strong deterrent as long as nuclear weapons exist. But he will take several steps down the long road toward eliminating nuclear weapons. He will stop the development of new nuclear weapons; work with Russia to take U.S. and Russian ballistic missiles off hair trigger alert; seek dramatic reductions in U.S. and Russian stockpiles of nuclear weapons and material; and set a goal to expand the U.S.-Russian ban on intermediate- range missiles so that the agreement is global.

The problem with this thinking is that Germany agreed to not having tanks, subs and airplanes at the end of WW I. Guess what weapons they used to win the first 3 years of WW II.

There was also the Washington Treaty about limiting the size of battleships. Germany cheated on that, and Japan was working on the Yamato class, and had to withdraw from the treaty (like anyone would start a war over that...).

I'll find some more, and maybe a few from McCain's website tomorrow.

[Bob-san]

I support McCain. I'm a Democratic Socialist, but I think how the Democratic party wants to implement Socialism is fundamentally wrong and very wrong for this time period.

Surely the sensible choice then would be to vote for someone who does support your politics even if that means spending it on a 3rd party who won't win rather than someone who is the very antithesis of them then?

No it wouldn't be--because a vote to a socialist party will do absolutely nothing in national elections. If I were to vote for Obama--which I wouldn't--I would be expressing my support for his economic plan. If I vote for McCain, I would be expressing my support for more of the same--basically waiting until the right time and the right leader comes and then express my support for them.