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Offline Mars

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True or False: Sociology Sucks
I'm sitting here, with the take home exam in front of me. I'm looking up definitions and saying "what?" to myself, over and over. I actually studied, but it didn't make any sense then either. When I asked the professor, he rephrased the definitions I didn't get in ways I still didn't understand.

Take "Sociological Imagination" for example:"Sociological imagination is a sociological term, coined by the American sociologist C. Wright Mills in 1959, describing the process of linking individual experience with social institutions and one's place in history." (Wikipedia)

And it takes me twenty minutes to get it to make sense in my head, so I can regurgitate the definition. If it was just one it would be one thing, but I'm having a lot of trouble relating the more theoretical (and most things in sociology are) terms to Real LifeTM.

 

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I thought this thread was about Scientology. :(

 

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Take "Sociological Imagination" for example:"Sociological imagination is a sociological term, coined by the American sociologist C. Wright Mills in 1959, describing the process of linking individual experience with social institutions and one's place in history."
I think that's some of the most grade-A academic bull**** I've ever come across. Now I remember why I have a built-in disdain for the social "sciences."  My sincere condolences to you.

 

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"Sociological imagination is a sociological term, coined by the American sociologist C. Wright Mills in 1959, describing the process of linking individual experience with social institutions and one's place in history." (Wikipedia)


Theres's some ambiguity to this definition (which makes it a rather bad definition IMHO).

Is it

"process of linking individual experience with social institutions and one's place in history"

or perhaps

"process of linking individual experience with social institutions and one's place in history."


To be honest though, neither make much sense to me, but perhaps the latter is somewhat more plausible. The former doesn't specify what kind of experience is linked with social institutions and one's place in history; the latter specifies that it's experiences with social institutions that are linked to one's place in history.

It's a bad definition no matter how you try and dissect it, but reading the wiki article about it, I understand it like this:

People have their image of the society defined by their experiences regarding living in said society.

Experience. A person lives in some slum in a country. Another person lives comfortably in their own home, with every basic need satisfied. These individuals will have vastly different image of the society, even though in the broad sense they live in the exact same society... which means that our image of society is at least partially based on what we see it to be.


I can't really think of any other meaning for this term. Furthermore I question the sensibility of using such a term altogether, because all it does is confuse me by mentioning imagination, when it isn't imagination, it's just subjectivity of opinions depending on different experiences. :rolleyes:


Defining whether or not sociology sucks is questionable since it isn't an exact science. On my personal relevance scale I would grade it about on the same level as psychohistory or something like that. Whether it sucks or not is hard to say. If it's considered as psychology applied to masses, but unlike normally in things involving probability and chance, masses are even harder to predict than individuals. What I mean is that if you throw a dice once you'll get a number from one to six, but if you throw two die, the likelyhood of getting a seven is higher than any other combined outcome (one out of six throws). But with human masses you can't apply psychology in this fashion. It's much more unprecise. And the fine gentlemen with their very fine hats can argue and define human mob behaviour all they want, it'll never make sense.
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Furthermore I question the sensibility of using such a term altogether, because all it does is confuse me by mentioning imagination, when it isn't imagination, it's just subjectivity of opinions depending on different experiences. :rolleyes:
Well, I think it underlines the active (conscious) role of the person in determining his/her position, albeit subjective.

 

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I for one, enjoyed the sociology class I took. :D
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I for one, enjoyed the sociology class I took. :D
I did too. The best way to explain terms like that is to use examples, and my professor was an extremely adept speaker.
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I have a degree in that stuff =)

Superficially (and in the introductory levels) sociology is more-or-less common sense.  When you start to dig deeper into Soc theory it does get really interesting.  Soc exposed me to the writings of Marx and Foucault, which in themselves are worth taking Soc just to understand them.
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Re: True or False: Sociology Sucks
I'm sitting here, with the take home exam in front of me. I'm looking up definitions and saying "what?" to myself, over and over. I actually studied, but it didn't make any sense then either. When I asked the professor, he rephrased the definitions I didn't get in ways I still didn't understand.

Take "Sociological Imagination" for example:"Sociological imagination is a sociological term, coined by the American sociologist C. Wright Mills in 1959, describing the process of linking individual experience with social institutions and one's place in history." (Wikipedia)

And it takes me twenty minutes to get it to make sense in my head, so I can regurgitate the definition. If it was just one it would be one thing, but I'm having a lot of trouble relating the more theoretical (and most things in sociology are) terms to Real LifeTM.
Communications is sort of like Sociology where you get stuff like this popping up.  The problem is that what you have there is the bare bones definition.  It doesn't really mean anything unless you've read and internalized (to some degree) the theory/writings behind it.  I think I see where its going with the definition but I haven't a clue how to apply it because I've never read about it.

Its just surface level learning you have there.  You may need to dig deeper to find understanding....at least thats how it works for me. Some folks can just memorize the definition whether it makes sense or not.
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Uh-huh, that's cute. Ever written a paper on deconstruction? I've never worked so hard for an A in my life.
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Hey hey keep the Mathematicians out of the academic dick-waving competition!

We could continue debating if there is such a line of pure fields, or if it is actually a curve that loops back to sociologists. Personally I think so, since I don't see that much difference between Mathematicians and Sociologists.

In case anyone wondered, yeah, I hate University level Mathematicians for never teaching me anything remotely useful.

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Now that I think of it, what are the actual meanings and derivations of the word "image"?

I know two, the first one as in "use your imagination" to figure out something new, and the second one as using lens to enlarge an image. Anyways the second one has something to with Optics in any case.

So I thought that should the term posted in the first post be understood more like a real picture, rather than something existing in someone's mind?

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I got out of Sociology.  It was hard too.  Evryone ragging me about what a bad decision I was making.  I guess that's "Seinoritis" for you.  :P  But seirously I really didn't want to take that class.
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It's a freshmen class at my community college

 

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wow wow wow, slow down!, please explain it to the rest of us less evolved humans to what you are trying to say? :p

from what i get, sociological structures are all built on the same premise, respect. its irrelevant what point of time you come across because it doesn't mean anything. all things are built/born and decommissioned/die. like the roman empire, things do not last. one day this sociological studies will be old news so the simple reasons as i see it.
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wow wow wow, slow down!, please explain it to the rest of us less evolved humans to what you are trying to say? :p

from what i get, sociological structures are all built on the same premise, respect. its irrelevant what point of time you come across because it doesn't mean anything. all things are built/born and decommissioned/die. like the roman empire, things do not last. one day this sociological studies will be old news so the simple reasons as i see it.
How do you figure?  Sociology is the study of society.  Its been around for quite some time and will undoubtedly be around until there isn't a society to evaluate.  Sure certain theories will be valued differently and new methods of systematically studying society will evolve but its not going to disappear.  Its like my field, Communications, which being modern as a study, is basically an offshoot of studying society except that its focused on studying communication which is the centerpiece of human society.
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