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Offline Colonol Dekker

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Unified answer,Fleet numbers, how's it all laid out?
Fleets, Fleets and Fleets.

The GT(v)A was(is) full of them, for the purposes of giving fans something to refer to and for the sake of FreeSpace related fun. I want to ask for everyone to contiribute every bit of CANON info pertaining to wjhat constitutes a battlegroup, in turn any glimmers of to how many battlegroups there are to a Fleet. (at least 13 in the Vasudan Context?)

The Colossus cutcsene shows how many fighters there are to a wing and upwards iirc. So fighter contingent chat is best left for another topic.

First (rhetorical) question, was the Aquitaine Flagship?if so, why didn't it have any dedicated escort craft :confused:

 

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Re: Unified answer,Fleet numbers, how's it all laid out?
First (rhetorical) question, was the Aquitaine Flagship?
Quote from: ships.tbl
The GTD Aquitaine is a superb example of this new ship class, serving as the flagship of the Capella-based 3rd Fleet.

if so, why didn't it have any dedicated escort craft :confused:
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Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: Unified answer,Fleet numbers, how's it all laid out?
(rhetorical)

Well  ;) at least we can work out that at least two Deimos corvettes were bossed about by Petrarch. Any other craft seen around Fleet HQ i assume were part of the third Fleet. Any views regarding that?

 

Offline admiral_wolf

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Re: Unified answer,Fleet numbers, how's it all laid out?
If the Collossus is anything to go by, it has at least 240 space fighers ready seeing as it can house 60 wings so I would roughly estimate 280 to account for losses in combat/operations .  I cannot imagine any other destroyer linking up with it, but possibly a Corvette/couple of cruisers.

So in my opinion, a battle group should be made of the following  (Great War, 2335)

Scenario A, High Risk, High Conflict System

Two Destroyers
3 Cruisers

Scenario B, Moderate Risk, Low Conflict System

1 Destroyer
4 Cruisers

Scenario C, Low Risk, No Conflict System

3 Cruisers
2 Science Cruisers
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Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: Unified answer,Fleet numbers, how's it all laid out?
I like the layout,

I'd use a layout more like:

FLEET>
Flagship Battlegroup (+1 escort destroyer)

4+ regular Battlegroups

BATTLEGROUP>
1 Destroyer
3 Cruisers
1 Science Cruiser
5+ Logistical craft


For FS2 Era, add a few corvettes and an AWACS ;)

(But i've no canon info :( )
« Last Edit: September 28, 2008, 07:43:19 pm by Colonol Dekker »

 

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Re: Unified answer,Fleet numbers, how's it all laid out?
I've always figured, given the amount of ships and ship losses, that figures were like so:

Fleet/Battlegroup size:

4-6 Destroyers with full fighter complement
6-10 Corvettes
15-20 Cruisers
10-15 logistics

further subdivided into smaller half fleets of:

2 Destroyers
3-5 Corvettes
7-10 Cruisers
5-7 logistics

further into flotillas of:

1 destroyer
1 Corvettes (extra firepower to prevent too much tactical outmaneuvering)
1-3 Cruisers (close in escort, mainly Levis, possibly with one Aeolus in the larger groups)
2-3 Logistics

AND flotillas of:

2-3 Corvettes
4-5 Cruisers (typically newer Aeoluses to compensate for lack of fighter craft)
2-3 Logistics

The flotillas without destroyers would function mostly as reinforcements or as assaults, applying force specifically where needed, whereas the ones with destroyers would be providing fire support and recon with patrols, etc.

Each kind of flotilla would work closely with each other, often working together in half/quarter-fleet ops, with one providing fighters, recon, heavy anti-cap (via destroyer), and the other would provide anti-fighter (via aeolus), and standard engagement ships (the corvettes).

 

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Re: Unified answer,Fleet numbers, how's it all laid out?
I was trying to take into account the manpower needed to handle the ships, the stations, the senate, the infrastructre, recruiting and training (aside from tsms of course) all the science wings comm management, the new GTI, SOC and specialist squadrons and still have people left to be civilians in need of defending in the first place ;)

 

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Re: Unified answer,Fleet numbers, how's it all laid out?
100000 people in a fleet, as canon states in several briefings.

destroyer = 10000
corvette = 3000
cruiser = 500

3 destroyers, 15 corvettes, 50 cruisers.
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Re: Unified answer,Fleet numbers, how's it all laid out?
Corvettes have 6000.
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Re: Unified answer,Fleet numbers, how's it all laid out?
Is that if you lose one or both though?

 

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Re: Unified answer,Fleet numbers, how's it all laid out?
Corvettes have 6000.
The debrief for A Lion at the Door states so if you lose the Sobek.

I'd assume that there's a reasonable difference in crew size between zod and terran ships.

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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Re: Unified answer,Fleet numbers, how's it all laid out?
100000 people in a fleet, as canon states in several briefings.

lol no.
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Re: Unified answer,Fleet numbers, how's it all laid out?
lol.... yeah

The Enif station mission cbanim I think

 

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Re: Unified answer,Fleet numbers, how's it all laid out?
The Enif station mission cbanim I think

Nope.

"Sixth Fleet has been decimated, with total GTVA casualities in the system exceeding..."

It does not specify a literal fleet size. Sixth Fleet has taken serious losses but it is not wiped out to give you a fleet size. It leaves the possiblity of other units in the system open (indeed, the wording almost demands it). Finally, if decimated in the literal sense, then the total casualities mean that is about a tenth of fleet size, but decimated is almost never used in the literal sense.
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Re: Unified answer,Fleet numbers, how's it all laid out?
I forget, is it reduced to, or reduced by, a tenth. Too much use of it in other context i agree.

 

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Re: Unified answer,Fleet numbers, how's it all laid out?
Reduced by a tenth - the meaning not used in the game.

 

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Re: Unified answer,Fleet numbers, how's it all laid out?
"36 hours ago, the NTF launched a full-scale offensive in Epsilon Pegasi, taking the GTVA 6th Fleet by surprise. Commanding his forces from the NTD Repulse, Rear Admiral Koth leads the rebel advance. With 75 percent of our forces in this system decimated, the regional death toll since the incursion now exceeds 80,000."

Which means 6th fleet had 100,000
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Re: Unified answer,Fleet numbers, how's it all laid out?
"36 hours ago, the NTF launched a full-scale offensive in Epsilon Pegasi, taking the GTVA 6th Fleet by surprise. Commanding his forces from the NTD Repulse, Rear Admiral Koth leads the rebel advance. With 75 percent of our forces in this system decimated, the regional death toll since the incursion now exceeds 80,000."

Which means 6th fleet had 100,000


"With 75 percent of our forces in this system decimated"

Which means that 6th Fleet can only be confirmed to have been the unit on the blockade if anything. It does NOT say 6th Fleet took 75% losses. It says the forces in the system did. This almost certainly means 6th Fleet is not alone.

Regional death toll could also well include civilian casualities. Probably does, at that. (And exceeds is inspecific, could be 84000.)

Then there's that literal decimated again, which would be 75% of the forces have lost one man in 10.
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Re: Unified answer,Fleet numbers, how's it all laid out?
Quote from: NGTM-1R
Then there's that literal decimated again, which would be 75% of the forces have lost one man in 10.

Although you definitely have valid points in the rest of your statements, I doubt very much this particular statement is what :v: intended.
« Last Edit: September 29, 2008, 11:13:55 pm by Mars »

 

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Re: Unified answer,Fleet numbers, how's it all laid out?
4 destroyers, 4 corvettes per destroyer, 4 cruisers per corvette, 4 bomber wings per cruiser, 4 fighter wings per bomber wing. Or you can go by the number of 3 per ship. At least in my opinion.