[Krelus]

Wait...so the Mentu already outguns the Aeolus?

Only because the SGreen is a fantastic piece of crap.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Meh, just give it a BVas.

[BengalTiger]

I sat down and figured out an approximate maximum damage a second for both the Aeolus and the Mentu. (This assumes 100% turret efficiency, which is never true)

The Aeolus comes out to 1453.4
The Mentu comes out to 1663

If you add 2 SVas to the Mentu it jumps to 2091.

I calculated the Mentu at 1119.5 HP/s hull damage, can anyone check it to see which one of us is wrong?

Aeolus has the same output in my check.

[Mars]

Dear God, you are correct Tiger, I had an extra flak in there and some wonky calculation

I still don't have your number though

I'll just post here so that everyone can check me:

Mentu Armament:
Weapon                 #  *      D/S/Turret  =    Combined D/S
Terran Turret   =      7  *        43.8              306.8
Terran H Turret =      7  *        41.7              83.4
Standard  Flak  =      3  *        200               600
Terran H Turret =      7  *        41.7              83.4
AAAF            =      3  *        24                72
Subach HL-7     =      1  *        67.5              67.5

Total Combined Damage*Second^-1=1063

[Droid803]

You have Terran Huge Turret on there twice?

I get:

7x Terran Turret = 306.6
2x Terran H Turr = 83.4
1x Subach HL-7  = 67.5
3x Standard Flk  = 600
3x Anti-Fighter F = 72

TOTAL = 1129.5

[Mars]

Confirmed.

And the extra Teran Huge Turret wasn't actually counted.

I did something wrong with my spreadsheet though, I'll tell you that.

[Mad Bomber]

I know I'm late, but, I have an Aten model with 10 turrets. Tis not HTL, it's another of Fulgrymm's old models he made for me way back when.

Uploaded to FSMods, and also attached here.

So there.

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[Akalabeth Angel]

Meh if people don't like the Aten or the Mentu just use one of the other user-created ships like the Mekhet or the Somtus or something. Both the Aten and Mentu are fine the way they are imo.

[eliex]

Unless the Aten improves its armour bigtime, no matter reasonably its turrets are laid out, its going to be cannon fodder.

[Mars]

The Fenris has fewer hitpoints, but is a more effective warship.

[eliex]

Sorry, should be "beam fodder"

[Droid803]

Fenris cruisers are actually a threat to a Convoy. An Aten is a minor annoyance.
I'm inclined to believe a pair of Tritons could fight one off with their flak guns.

Its not so much the armor as the pathetic armament.

[Mars]

Well technically Flak is a seriously powerful weapon... 200 damage per second. I don't know how efficently that is transferred to a warship sized target however. Based purely on that statistic however, it beats out the SGreen by nearly 140 damage a second, and is about as effective as an SVas.

Be that as it may, I'm reasonably sure the Fenris would be victorious against four or so Tritons. And the AAA from the Fenris might just keep the escort off of it long enough to complete its task.


If we were going to be really honest about it, a Myrmidon can p0wn every non fighter warship short of a Sathanas in the game

[Akalabeth Angel]

Fenris cruisers are actually a threat to a Convoy. An Aten is a minor annoyance.
I'm inclined to believe a pair of Tritons could fight one off with their flak guns.

Its not so much the armor as the pathetic armament.

      Convoy hunting???
      The upgraded Aten was given AAAf beams. So give it proper opponents, namely enemy fighters. Not freighters.
      Who is the enemy in Freespace? The Shivans. How many shivan freighters do you take out? Not very many. But fighters? Heck even the Aten can cut through Shivan fighters like butter with those AAAfs.

[Mars]

Now 2 AAAs is a good fighter defense?

The Atens best fighter defense is that it's turrets appear to be out of phase or something, because most of the weapons figher aimed at its turrets doesn't seem to do anything. If it's a wing of Herc IIs against either a Fenris, or an Aten, my bets on the Hercs. Something like a Leviathan or a Mentu, has a chance though. All the cruisers can really be heaped into two categories

Crap:
Aten
Fenris
Cain

Not entirely crap:
Aeolus
Mentu
Leviathan
Rakshasa
Lilith (god)

[eliex]

Lilith (god)

Seriously, if the GTVA ever come round to capturing and unraveling the Lilth's super reactor core/power management component, and apply it to their ships, the GTVA will have no problem establishing themselves as leader of the pack.

Imagine . . . a Hecate with 20000HP and 4 BFBlues . . .

[Snail]

Well, I think they have, with the Mjolnir, but it's just not practical to implement the technology onto a warship. Maybe the beam cannon draws its power from an independent reactor or something, which is probably the way the Mjolnir works.

[TrashMan]

You know, this gives me an idea.

I take my HLC Defiler.. I change the HOL textures with stock vasudan ones. I exchange the top heavy and lower beam turret with new models...maybe tweak a bit here and there... and Voila!  Aten Mk2.

[Snail]

And remove that bottom fin thing too please, or at least shorten it... I always found it weird.

[TrashMan]

the bottom fin is the beam cannon...so yea, I covered that