[jdjtcagle]

by Gaius Baltar
Completely gave me a new perspective on the Dr. 



Mwahahah... too much photoshop, can't wait for the new cs4 

[General Battuta]

That's a great 'shop. But why the blanks in the thread title?

[jdjtcagle]

Thanks, just having fun.

Yeah about the blanks, who knows anymore?  For effect.  Yeah.
EDIT: there!

Who's getting CS4?

[Herra Tohtori]

eh? Shooping?  I don't understand.

Shoop da... oh wait.

Try and distort the text so that it actually seems like following the spine of the book. And blend it to the surrounding areas of the photo better.

[Nuke]

you should have made it a two volume set, the second much thicker than the first

and i still maintain that photoshop 7 is better 

[jdjtcagle]

I can't see my image anymore. Can anybody else?

and i still maintain that photoshop 7 is better 

Huh? Why is that?

Here is just a few for the CS versions:

The vanishing point filter. (Especially CS3's rendition)
Smart objects/smart filters (CS3) <- huge step
Refine Edges selection tool.
Unsharp Mask.
Bridge - (Camera Raw.)
Spot Healing Brush.
3D layers.
Some cool Photomerge options.
The new interface in CS3 (I don't know where I'd be without it.)

Now for CS4

Graduated filters. (really cool color tool)
I think they are called smart pixels? (EDIT: Content aware scaling) http://tv.adobe.com/?promoid=DRHXB#vi+f1511v1657 (They keep the relevant pixels of an image and compress it - this is amazing.)
many others.

[Col. Fishguts]

Don't forget to add some lens flare effects for teh lulz.

[Nuke]

I can't see my image anymore. Can anybody else?

and i still maintain that photoshop 7 is better 

Huh? Why is that?
...
The new interface in CS3 (I don't know where I'd be without it.)

thats why, i find the new interface to be "for idiots". i really wish software companies would stop changing the established interfaces for their software. especially when they try to dumb down everything for the incompetent masses. the other features are faitly pointless, id rather just airbrush some actual art instead of applying a filter. come to think of it i only use the blur filters if any at all.

[jdjtcagle]

I can't see my image anymore. Can anybody else?

and i still maintain that photoshop 7 is better 

Huh? Why is that?
...
The new interface in CS3 (I don't know where I'd be without it.)

thats why, i find the new interface to be "for idiots". i really wish software companies would stop changing the established interfaces for their software. especially when they try to dumb down everything for the incompetent masses. the other features are faitly pointless, id rather just airbrush some actual art instead of applying a filter. come to think of it i only use the blur filters if any at all.

Wow, well how can I argue against someone who has made up their mind?  Have you actually tried the newer versions?

The new interface is a matter of preference, when you have a job in a field that requires you to make deadlines, it's really helpful to have your interface slimmed, scalable, and docked. (mind you they don't have to be.)  Also the ability to save your workspace for whatever reason is incredibly helpful.  Of course I rarely use the interface for photoshop but let me tell you that it saves tons of time when I work in In-Design and I'm glad that some idiots found they needed something to save them some time.

Have you actually messed with smart objects and smart filters? (The ability to retain pixel or VECTOR information when making a otherwise "destructive change")  I'm not talking about throwing a couple of filters together, some are necessary when doing certain tasks, such as extracting using Alpha Channels which the quick selection/refine edges have revolutionized the way of extraction by making it easier and tenfold the quality or getting rid of jpeg artifacts on pictures from the web going to print.

The ability to make nondestructive changes and to be able to mask filters as-well as change settings whenever you need to make a change.  You would think even somebody anti-CS would appreciate that, especially on blurs.  Watch that link I showed you, that is going to make my clients very happy.

Please back up your accusations with other than it's for the incompetent and I'm too smart to be bothered with it.  It's making me think your ignorant on the improvements made on the newer versions. Because these changes make people (like mine) lives easier and less time consuming.  We do this for a living not to brush and blur.  Check it out and you might actually be surprised at the level of accomplishment.

[Flipside]

Personally, I use Photoshop 7, not because the later ones are any worse, but because 7 does what I want it to, and I haven't really found the need to spend the money to upgrade.

[jdjtcagle]

I can understand that completely.

But the logic of calling it better? It's the same except more features, maybe by preference but as an argument I don't see it.

[Goober5000]

Guys, stop polluting an innocent bystander's thread.  BlackDove is now monkeyed; the rest of you are on notice.  Cut it out.

[Nuke]

I can understand that completely.

But the logic of calling it better? It's the same except more features, maybe by preference but as an argument I don't see it.

i have tried cs3 and while 72 point red text was fully adequate for expressing my feelings on the issue, it seems you want more than a rapedly expressed opinon that saves me and you time and hardlight several kbytes of useless debate.

my general distaste for the way software is changing its interfaces from tried, true and fast procedural interfaces to slower more bloated skinned interfaces that do nothing but waste useful pixels and memory in a vain attempt to look pretty and make things easier for laymen at the expense of workflow efficiency. so my reaction when first seeing cs3 was "what the ****, how thick does a dockable panel border need to be, **** this im using 7". the last place i want a cute, inefficient, interface is in a pixel editing program like photoshop, where every pixel counts. this is sort of the same reason i dont like windows virta, how big does an icon need to be? if they ever did that to max, id swear my usual regiment of anti psychotics, booze and illegal drugs would not be able to curb my madness.

now i admit i may have overreacted but 7 works, and i see no reason to use something else. i use maybe 10% of what photoshop has, most everything else doesnt really have much of a purpose in what i use the program for. such a program has many uses and unless you do everything, youl never bother to learn half that stuff. flipside has a good poing but since id rather make adobe walk the plank, if you know what i mean, but still that was not enough to make me like cs3. maybe il try cs4. regaurdless newer photoshop versions might tame better advantage of my hardware, but still, i hate what software companies are doing to their interfaces.

[jdjtcagle]

I can understand that completely.

But the logic of calling it better? It's the same except more features, maybe by preference but as an argument I don't see it.

...it seems you want more than a rapedly expressed opinon that saves me and you time and hardlight several kbytes of useless debate.

Yes I did, thank you

I can see what you mean by the size, but let me remind you that the docks are collapsible.  Leaving either a icon representing the functions instead of a sizable dock, the icon and name, or the traditional palette.  Not only that one thing I don't remember 7.0's document window fit perfectly within the palettes they would always go behind it.  That always annoyed me.  CS3 palettes fixes this as-well.

Here is some screenshots taken from my pc at home.

First the traditional with some icons I attached to the side:



Second Icons and Names ( of workspace)



Third Icons with a picture.



Anyway, I can understand that these things probably don't matter and I think 7.0 will do a great deal for you especially since you don't seem to have a use for most of the newer features.  But to be fair I asked who was interested in buying CS4

[Nuke]

a good interface should not require the user to spend most of their time rearranging it to suit current needs. one thing ive hated were those collapsable menues that hid half the stuff in them untill you clicked the ****ing arrows, as seen in ms office, i ****ing hate **** like that, they annoy me to hell and back. the second picture sort of looks like that.

i use tonnes of paths and layers and have them occupying a massive bank on the side of my screen, some of my textures have over a hundred layers. so the layers window i usually have take up half the vertical space screen while being as narrow as it will go. i alocate about half as much space to the paths list, which i usually move up to the top window, leaving the history in the middile, taking up the least space.  my screen is full of stuff like that so as small as those things can be without making them contain less functionality, the better. max's scrolling side pane always satisfied me, usually being a drag and click operation, most stuff i do in photoshot is a 3 or 4 click operation.

one of my biggest nags about photoshop is the fact that they didnt embed the toolbars to the edges of the screen, floating them instead. while you can dock some of the side bar stuf up top, i never found this usefull, cept maybe sticking the info tab up near where the brushes are, because i might (rarely) need pixel colors or coordinates of the cursor. i really hate when the area im working on falls right under a floater and i have to move them around.

no matter how much i hate some of photoshops interface features, i really hate fred's sexp menus, which is probibly why i never bothered with fredding. im just really picky with my interfaces (see my joystick collection)

[jdjtcagle]

a good interface should not require the user to spend most of their time rearranging it to suit current needs. one thing ive hated were those collapsable menues that hid half the stuff in them untill you clicked the ****ing arrows, as seen in ms office, i ****ing hate **** like that, they annoy me to hell and back. the second picture sort of looks like that.

It takes seconds to rearrange and you don't HAVE to click the arrows you can click the individual symbols and it opens that particular palette.  It's a learning curve remembering the symbols.  So maybe you would like to drag the palette to display the names as well as the symbols, who knows?  But what I'm saying is that you don't have to have everything open you could have one or two open, they snap the document frame, rearrange, and that's it quickly .

i use tonnes of paths and layers and have them occupying a massive bank on the side of my screen, some of my textures have over a hundred layers. so the layers window i usually have take up half the vertical space screen while being as narrow as it will go. i alocate about half as much space to the paths list, which i usually move up to the top window, leaving the history in the middile, taking up the least space.  my screen is full of stuff like that so as small as those things can be without making them contain less functionality, the better. max's scrolling side pane always satisfied me, usually being a drag and click operation, most stuff i do in photoshot is a 3 or 4 click operation.

Again, you drag the layers palette just like you use to, the good thing is now the rest of the palettes scale with it.  CS versions actually help your situation.

Here's a video I made with Jing on my mac at work, you may have to scroll to see what's going on sometimes I'm sorry, I keep my monitor at high resolutions.
http://screencast.com/t/p1XUR9Ey1

one of my biggest nags about photoshop is the fact that they didnt embed the toolbars to the edges of the screen, floating them instead. while you can dock some of the side bar stuf up top, i never found this usefull, cept maybe sticking the info tab up near where the brushes are, because i might (rarely) need pixel colors or coordinates of the cursor. i really hate when the area im working on falls right under a floater and i have to move them around.

They didn't in 7.0, but that's a newer feature in CS3/4.  Check the video above to see what I'm talking about.  You can dock them to the side of the screen with ease, and the best part is your document window will not go behind them.

no matter how much i hate some of photoshops interface features, i really hate fred's sexp menus, which is probibly why i never bothered with fredding. im just really picky with my interfaces (see my joystick collection)

Me too...

[Nuke]

still, i can go into photoshop 7 and know exactly how to do what i want to do, and if it aint broke, dont fix it. when i tried cs3 i spent several minutes trying to re-orient myself, i just said **** it and loaded ps 7.