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The Second Shivan Incursion - how long was it?
As the title says, how many days, weeks, months or even years did the SSI last?

FS Wiki says that there are no dates given, but perhaps there are clues about how long does it take to move a fleet through X systems, how much time the GTVA spend in the Nebula, and how long it took to evacuate Capella.
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Offline ShadowGorrath

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Re: The Second Shivan Incursion - how long was it?
Less than a year, actually, and that's all that is told.

I wonder how long did the Great War actually last though. The Lucifer fought in the battle for Deneb in February 2335, according to the FS2 intro cutscene.

 

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Re: The Second Shivan Incursion - how long was it?
Less than a year, actually, and that's all that is told.

I wonder how long did the Great War actually last though. The Lucifer fought in the battle for Deneb in February 2335, according to the FS2 intro cutscene.

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Re: The Second Shivan Incursion - how long was it?
Well. it takes 3 months to bring down the Lucifer, but the Actual war would have continued till the invading shivan forces were all mopped up. I'm of the opinion that the Hades Rebellion and the Great War overlapped.

The 2nd Incursion would have taken about 2 months, three at the most. I've always felt that Petrach was rounding down when he said "30 (whoops) 18 months" during the Chess Trilogy missions. 18 sounds nicer that 19 for some reason
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Re: The Second Shivan Incursion - how long was it?
Well, we know the NTF rebellion lasted 18 months, so seeing the Shivans are a greater threat than them, it ought to of taken longer?
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Re: The Second Shivan Incursion - how long was it?
Well, we know the NTF rebellion lasted 18 months, so seeing the Shivans are a greater threat than them, it ought to of taken longer?

Terrible logic...the Shivans never went past Capella, exited the war on their own terms, and had only a few major battles.  The NTF Rebellion was something which had to be eradicated completely.
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Re: The Second Shivan Incursion - how long was it?
We assume that the GTVA actually had the time to finish the NTF Rebellion off with the juggernauts breathing down their neck.
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Re: The Second Shivan Incursion - how long was it?
We don't "assume" so, since the game tells us that it happened in no uncertain terms.  The Colossus's deployment and subsequent node-blockade series of missions tear through essentially all of the NTF's fleet besides the Iceni.  It's hard for a rebellion to continue if it has no ships to fight with and its charismatic leader disappears from known space.

 

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Re: The Second Shivan Incursion - how long was it?
Yeah, that one blockade mission pritty much finished them off.
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Re: The Second Shivan Incursion - how long was it?
I ran some numbers once, and I concluded that FS2 is at least 2 months long.  If you follow the clock cycles, about 12 days end up passing.  Figure downtime and time to transfer between units between the first mission and the end, 2 months is the minimum it could have taken.
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Re: The Second Shivan Incursion - how long was it?
We don't "assume" so, since the game tells us that it happened in no uncertain terms.  The Colossus's deployment and subsequent node-blockade series of missions tear through essentially all of the NTF's fleet besides the Iceni.  It's hard for a rebellion to continue if it has no ships to fight with and its charismatic leader disappears from known space.

We assume. The NTF fleet's suicide run to Gamma Drac was, well, a suicide run. Some doubtless refused. Bosch may even have left some in place.

AND they still had to physically retake the installations and planets, a task that could easily take years to accomplish.
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Re: The Second Shivan Incursion - how long was it?
Godam bosch. ALl the ships we lost, fighting the NTF (and the NTF's ships) could have been used to defend our civilization against teh onslaught of hte Shivans.

Bosch ****ed that up by igniting their hatred, and having them fight us. Counterproductive asshole.

We could have been alot better off. Alot. That one multiplayer mission alone (what was it called, RI...Rebbles ..innicitive? RB? Riahs blockade?) we trashed like 20 NTF warships, encluding an Orion. Not easy to make.

Such a waste of lives, for nothing, at a critical time.
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Re: The Second Shivan Incursion - how long was it?
You realize you just ranted on a political leader that never actually existed in real life? :P
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Re: The Second Shivan Incursion - how long was it?
Godam bosch. ALl the ships we lost, fighting the NTF (and the NTF's ships) could have been used to defend our civilization against teh onslaught of hte Shivans.

Such a waste of lives, for nothing, at a critical time.

      Without Bosch the GTVA would never have had to fight the Shivans in the first place.

 

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Re: The Second Shivan Incursion - how long was it?
You realize you just ranted on a political leader that never actually existed in real life? :P
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Re: The Second Shivan Incursion - how long was it?
Roemig got exactly what was coming to him.

 

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Re: The Second Shivan Incursion - how long was it?
Godam bosch. ALl the ships we lost, fighting the NTF (and the NTF's ships) could have been used to defend our civilization against teh onslaught of hte Shivans.

Bosch ****ed that up by igniting their hatred, and having them fight us. Counterproductive asshole.

We could have been alot better off. Alot. That one multiplayer mission alone (what was it called, RI...Rebbles ..innicitive? RB? Riahs blockade?) we trashed like 20 NTF warships, encluding an Orion. Not easy to make.

Such a waste of lives, for nothing, at a critical time.

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Re: The Second Shivan Incursion - how long was it?
Roemig got exactly what was coming to him.

Justify this statement.

We know very little about Roemig or the Trinity, other than that they defected to the NTF only shortly before they were encountered in the nebula. (I think it's 9 days, but I might have that number wrong)

Just because the majority of the NTF hated the Vasudans doesn't mean that's why he joined. It's fully possible he had some other motivation for defecting--it's even possible he was forced into it by a mutinous crew, and might have risked being tossed out an airlock if he didn't go along with it. Or maybe he had some personal reason to switch sides? There is almost no information on the character of Arthur Roemig.

Heck, Bosch (or whichever of his direct subordinates gave the order) probably sent the Trinity because they were the newest ship to defect (and thus the one whose loyalty was unproven and whose crew mattered least in the bigger picture).

I'm not saying that he WAS a good guy (like the Good Samaritan, but NTF instead), but this seems a bit over the top to me.

 

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Re: The Second Shivan Incursion - how long was it?
Maybe he thought the game made sense, and that justified him being a Pawn>  ;7
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