[pecenipicek]

i wish i didnt use that facepalm image two pages back...


*facepalm*


Captain Obvious to the rescue!!1

[Colonol Dekker]

dobro, onda neću pisati engleskim.

Spoiler:

throw that in a translator to find out the meaning

I threw it into google and this topic was top of the results.....

D'oh... i'll keep trying.

well, then do not? write in English

??

[TrashMan]

He said: "Ok/allright, I will not write in english anymore."

[Colonol Dekker]

Ahah! But he lied......


The microprocessors all well and good, but where would it be without the Steam valve / light bulb computer of WWII and the abacus before it....


Go back far enough and the Indian people (Asia) invented the concept of Zero. Which is all important I saw it on "what the aincents did for us:nervous)

[StarSlayer]

Who invented religion?  Probably the first knuckledragger who saw something like lightning and had enough synapses firing in his cave man brain to wonder why things happen.  Thats probably why most early religions have elemental gods.

[karajorma]

No two individual people can ever have exactly the same Religious Beliefs.

Maybe. But they can have the same lack of religious beliefs.

[captain-custard]

isnt religion just putting your hopes and asperations/beliefs into something or someone else .....

instead of believing in yourself and taking responsability in your actions

[terran_emperor]

No two individual people can ever have exactly the same Religious Beliefs.

Maybe. But they can have the same lack of religious beliefs.

I was being broad there - every person's Religious beliefs or lack thereof are unique to that person.

I define religion as what you personally believe in for moral and spiritual guidance.
Now that can be  anything from the Teachings of Christ and Mohamed to...well anything really. There is no limit on what you can believe in.
I mean even Aethism is a relegion - it just has near to no set belief pattern (other than the non-existance of God) unlike Christianity or Islam do. < Correct me if im wrong on this.

[karajorma]

You're wrong.

Religion is a set of beliefs. An atheist has no beliefs. Saying that everyone has a religion even atheists is like saying everyone drives even those without a car.

[TrashMan]

But your non-belief is not the same as the non-belief of another athesist.

To say that religious people all believe in different things really, and that atheists are all "uniform" is laughable.

[Polpolion]

But your non-belief is not the same as the non-belief of another athesist.

To say that religious people all believe in different things really, and that atheists are all "uniform" is laughable.

That doesn't make any sense. Could you elaborate? Why is Karajorma's  lack of belief different from someone else's?

[Colonol Dekker]

My gosh. . . .
 
This chat is gonna get "interesting" later on i can tell. my belief is that Karma is universal, you make your own bed and sleep in it. . .

[peterv]

Atheists usually declare that there is no God. Is' nt that a belief ?

[karajorma]

But your non-belief is not the same as the non-belief of another athesist.

To say that religious people all believe in different things really, and that atheists are all "uniform" is laughable.

I didn't say that all atheists are uniform. I said that in terms of religion they are the same. They have none.

And don't assume I'm saying that terran_emperor is right to say that religious people are all different. I only said maybe to that one.

Atheists usually declare that there is no God. Is' nt that a belief ?

Incorrect. You're assuming that all atheists are what are called Strong Atheists. Most are actually what are called Weak Atheists. Only a Strong Atheist will say "There is no God" However they won't say that based on belief. They'll say it based on a logical inference that any God who created the universe must be more complex than the universe he created and therefore requires an even more complex explanation himself. If you're willing to accept that "God has always existed" is about as weak an argument as "The universe has always existed" then you're probably a Strong Atheist.

A Weak Atheist on the other hand will say "There is no evidence for the existence of God, so there is no point in believing in God"


Notice that neither position require any belief though. Both are derived logically.

[Inquisitor]

It must be a law of physics (or perhaps an edict from God)  that all topics devolve into religious arguments. Don't you ever get tired to having your blood pressure elevated?

[karajorma]

While there are people who still think atheism is a religion, education is still required.

Besides I don't think there's been a big religious discussion on HLP for a while now.

[terran_emperor]

All i way trying to said is that everyone creates their own inturpetations of religion. We each create our own ways of belief...Look this is getting difficult to put into words for me.

I'm not a religious man. I don't believe in any particular God or Pantheon of Gods. I Believe in the idea of god - of something that is more than we are. I believe in Right and Wrong...

I define religion itself, not as a set pattern of beliefs, but that which we look to for spiritual and moral guidance. I'm talking about the core beliefs, not any of the political squabling or this "Our god is the true god, you're god is false" crap.

There are no single True Religions. To quote a JMS script line "If any religion is right, then maybe they all have to be right. Maybe God doesn't care how you say your prayers, just as long as you say them"

Okay let me put it this way.
There are as many Religions as there are people
No two christian's beliefs are exactly the same.
Now there are several Million Christians in the world. That means several million interpretations of the christian Religion
The Same is true for Islam, Judaism, Bhuddism, Hinduism, Shinto, even Atheism.
Each follower will have their own inturpretation of their religion.
So there are as many versions of a religion as there are followers.
Thus there are as many Religions as there are people.
Because we all decide our own Religious beliefs, we all invent our own personal religions.

[peterv]

Incorrect. You're assuming that all atheists are what are called Strong Atheists. Most are actually what are called Weak Atheists. Only a Strong Atheist will say "There is no God" However they won't say that based on belief. They'll say it based on a logical inference that any God who created the universe must be more complex than the universe he created and therefore requires an even more complex explanation himself. If you're willing to accept that "God has always existed" is about as weak an argument as "The universe has always existed" then you're probably a Strong Atheist.

A Weak Atheist on the other hand will say "There is no evidence for the existence of God, so there is no point in believing in God"


Notice that neither position require any belief though. Both are derived logically.

Correct but to accept either one you have to accept logic (and the knowledge that comes from logic) as the ultimate measure. Science it self doesn't in all occations (i refer particulary to the quantum theory).

However, i don't think that atheism is a religion, i think that it's a belief, asuming that as there is no proof off Gods existance, there is also no proof off his non existance.

[Mars]

I'm an agnostic, the only thing that I believe is that there's not enough information to make an informed decision on the existence, or lack thereof of anything transphysical or epistemological. And yet I've been told it's a "religion" how does anyone figure that?

[tinfoil]

it's like black. the absence of colour is equal to the absence of religion. some people can't get that through their skulls.