[Shrike]

The New Republic deserves to die.  It can't bloody well prosecute a war against the YV, even with the leftoevers of the empire.

Why not go to KDY and say 'Hey, we're getting our asses kicked, how about building a few hundred ISD-IIs for us?'

See, it started with the Zahn series, showing how wimpy the NR really was.  200 dreadnoughts - obselete heavy cruisers - was a significant force.

Hell, the Imperial fleet at Endor could probably have easily taken the Katana fleet.

And the NR just got wimpier as time progressed.  Sure they're peaceful, but don't gut your midochlorian-be-damned military because of it!

[LtNarol]

Dreadnaughts are not obsilete, just old.  They were still used in many backwater fleets and 200 of them is a lot of firepower.  One to one with other ships, they sucked the big one, but in numbers, you just cant go wrong.

[Shrike]

Yeah, and the Empire had 25,000 Star Destroyers........ alone.

[LtNarol]

25000?  i seriously doubt that many, not considering the shear scale of those ships and how long it takes to construct one.  Think of each as an orion class destroyer, does the GTVA have that many orions?

[Shrike]

Uhh, the GTVA doesn't have a million worlds.

In fact, on a world/system number, the GE has some VERY low ship numbers.

[KillMeNow]

i not sure on the how big a secotr is but i think at the empires hight a secotor fleet consisted of 200 ISD's  mixtuer of mark ones and 2 - the 1's being slowy pahsed out plus all the support ships - probally an equal number of carracks - afew intradictors maybe afew lancers and 1 SSD

now if there are 25000 ISD's then your looking at 125 sectors
 thats;

25000 isd's
25000 carracks
250 intradictors
500 lancers
125 SSD

50875 total capital ships
god knows how many fighters probally millions if you include the planetary garissons

[LtNarol]

i hadnt realized that there were so many SSDs, i was under the impression that there were 2, the Executer and the Lusankya

[KillMeNow]

nope listent o han solo as the approach the executor - lukes saying vaders on that ship adn han say something liek dont get jittery luke there are hundreds of command ships

[Shrike]

No, he says there's 'lots' of command ships.

Supposedly, by the battle of Hoth, there were 4 completed.  The Executor was the first.

[KillMeNow]

i'm of the opinion there are lots - han said its a command ship that makes it logical there is one in every sector and if they can build a fully fuction deathstar in 4 years they can churn out SSD very fast indeed hell the can probally make an ISD in a month

[KillMeNow]

either way lots is more than 4

[Vertigo1]

The only thing I don't get is why they pussified Luke?  I mean, the old Luke would've gladly taken the war to the Vong and shoved their dovan basils right up their asses and then some.  Where are all the ships the Imps had?  Surely they weren't all taken apart and sold for scrap, and I seriously doubt the Peace Brigade has them all....

[Kitsune]

Lightsabers had JACK to do with the force guys.

Go here and get a better summary of it.

http://www.synicon.com.au/sw/ls/sabres4.htm

[LtNarol]

i dont seem to recall anyone mentioning lightsabers

[Ace Pace]

there was vaders ship, The Lusankya, and I forgot the rest but you are forgeting:

ECLIPSE CLASS!

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by Ace Pace
there was vaders ship, The Lusankya, and I forgot the rest but you are forgeting:

ECLIPSE CLASS!

Ace Pace is NOT lying; the Eclipse-class Super Destroyer (it appeared in one of the Dark Horse Star Wars comic books) was HUGE!!!!

I highly doubt that a sector fleet has 200 ISD in it. A dozen I would believe but not 200. If the Imperial fleet was THAT huge, the Rebel Alliance would have been crushed in a matter of weeks.

I can believe the entire number of ISDs in the Imp fleet being 25000, but I think the Galaxy had WAY more than 125 sectors in it, thus diluting the number of ISDs in a single sector fleet.

And according to the SW role-playing books, no more than 8 SSDs were constructed; this MIGHT include the Luyskanya.

[Ace Pace]

more info on it direct from the guide :

17.5 K long.
solid black.
"in combat the Eclipse's hull and shields were so strong that it could ram enemy vessels without hesitation"
10 grav well projectors.
500 heavy lasers
550 turbolasers
50 squadrons (12 each) TIE interceptors (600!)
8 squadron of TIE bombers.
super laser that destorys the crust of planets.
5 prefabricated basses
100 AT-AT
700,000 being crew
150,000 troops

also don`t forget the Star Destroyers MK3 (with grav wells)
and the Vong Warship

how do I add pics?

[Nico]

Originally posted by KillMeNow
nope listent o han solo as the approach the executor - lukes saying vaders on that ship adn han say something liek dont get jittery luke there are hundreds of command ships

*cough**cough*
Why by command ship do you assume SSD? Vader is in an ISD in the first movie

[KillMeNow]

we assume SSD from command ship becasue it was an  SSD they were flying right in front off when han refered to it as a command ship

and just cause vader was in an ISD in the firstfilm perhaps his own ship was away elsewhere and the closes ship in the area was an ISD so i flew over in his tie advanced to quickly intercept leia

as for the 200 isds a sector i read that in one of the novels cant remember which one - and its widely excepted that the imperial fleet had 25000 isds in it

[LtNarol]

ok, do the math, a quarter million ISDs, 125 SSDs, and counless smaller ships like carracks and lancers, the rebelion wouldnt have lasted past the first few days.  The imperial fleet was huge, no doubt, but not that big.

Command ships, how does that necessarily mean SSD?  It could be other ships as well.  Now that i think of it, i can name 2 more SSDs:  Iron Fist, and Razor's Kiss

As for the Eclipse, what did you expect?  It is after all the emperor's personal flagship after he returned.  You're talking about a man who commanded 2 deathstars.