[Styxx]

Warsies are always talking about how powerful Coruscant shields are... if so, how exactly did the Vong break through it? It's a whole planet, for God's sake, it's not like it can't whitstand a siege for a long time... And no one answered my question about the occupation force.

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by Styxx
Warsies are always talking about how powerful Coruscant shields are... if so, how exactly did the Vong break through it? It's a whole planet, for God's sake, it's not like it can't whitstand a siege for a long time... And no one answered my question about the occupation force.

If I recall correctly, the planetary shields were designed to withstand bombardment from lasers and bombs, but the Vong were actually ramming the refugee ships into the planetary shields. Even something as powerful as planetary shields can't stand up to that much punishment; the Vong had captured tens of thousands of refugee ships.

If I understood what happened next correctly, I think Lando Calrissian (who got recommisioned by Borsk Fey'lya to his old New Republic General rank) ordered the Coruscant military to open up one section of planet shielding to let the refugee ships through and let the mines in orbit take out Vong ships as they tried to pass through the gap in the shields.

The problem with that is Coruscant ran out of mines before they ran out of Vong.

Also, Coruscant's pre-invasion population is about 35 billion or so. many of those fled Coruscant when it was clear the planet was about to be invaded. Refugee ships were fleeing the planet in droves when the Vong invasion fore appeared also. Say, just for the sake of argument that about half of Coruscant's population fled, leaving 17 billion on the planet. Obviously, an occupying force can't have one soldier for every captured citizen; if that were so, no invasion in Earth history would ever have worked. It's just not practical to have so many soldiers guarding so many civilians, because usually there aren't enough soldiers to go around. Not even the Vong have 17 billion available soldiers to guard every person on Coruscant.

Usually, the ratio of occupying soldier to civilian population is about what? One to 1,000? One man with a gun can frighten of unarmed people. This is how occupying forces have to work; they have to frighten the native population into submission. Otherwise, every civilian a soldier would see could be a potential guerilla fighter.

And considering that Coruscant's underlevels are notorious for being a perfect place to hide, I don't doubt that resistance cells are already forming on Coruscant...

Maybe the Vong have bitten off more than they can chew this time.

[Styxx]

So, what you're saying is that basically the people from Coruscant provided their enemy with the ammo to take out their shields when they fled the planet, that the Vong wouldn't have been able to take down the shields if they hadn't fled and consequentially Coruscant wouldn't have fallen, and that the New Republic fleet refused to shoot at the transports even though they knew they would be used to take down the shields on the planet - killing everyone onboard them and leaving countless billion others at the mercy of the Vong?

Sounds pretty damn stupid of the New Republic military to do that. I'd assume that their citizens would be close to completely pissed off by now...

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by Styxx
So, what you're saying is that basically the people from Coruscant provided their enemy with the ammo to take out their shields when they fled the planet, that the Vong wouldn't have been able to take down the shields if they hadn't fled and consequentially Coruscant wouldn't have fallen, and that the New Republic fleet refused to shoot at the transports even though they knew they would be used to take down the shields on the planet - killing everyone onboard them and leaving countless billion others at the mercy of the Vong?

Sounds pretty damn stupid of the New Republic military to do that. I'd assume that their citizens would be close to completely pissed off by now...

The refugees began fleeing AFTER the planetary shields went down, not before. But even so, once some of military commanders refused to shoot through the refugee ships at the Vong, people began realizing that Coruscant was doomed.

Read Star by Star. See the story with your own eyes and judge for yourself. I think that way you'll understand better what happened than with my less-than-crystal-clear summarizations.

[Sandwich]

I wonder - if Vong Wars was ever made, would they speak with a british accent?

[Styxx]

Originally posted by Su-tehp
The refugees began fleeing AFTER the planetary shields went down, not before. But even so, once some of military commanders refused to shoot through the refugee ships at the Vong, people began realizing that Coruscant was doomed.

Read Star by Star. See the story with your own eyes and judge for yourself. I think that way you'll understand better what happened than with my less-than-crystal-clear summarizations.

No!! I won't read it! I refuse to pollute my precious neurons with that kind of [censored]!!

(just joking, ok?)


And how did they take the shield down with refugee ships if the ships only started fleeing after they took the shields down? Anyone senses a paradox there?

[KillMeNow]

they had cunningly hearded lots of refugee hsips from other planets they had taken to one area then captured them and then ramed them into the planets surface well shields really

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by Styxx
And how did they take the shield down with refugee ships if the ships only started fleeing after they took the shields down? Anyone senses a paradox there?

WHOOPS! When I meant that refugees were fleeing Coruscant, I forgot to make this clear: there were TWO groups of refugees involved here: (1) The refugee fleet that the Vong used to ram Coruscant's shields and (2)the Coruscant citizens who fled the planet once it was obvious that Coruscant would fall to the Vong. When I said that refugees began fleeing Coruscant I was referring to the second group, not the first.

[Styxx]

Ah. Makes... a bit... more sense now.

[Slasher]

I must admit that the Vong's conquering of Coruscant probably isn't as big of a deal as I made it out to be earlier.  Coruscant has, after all, fallen to an invasion force on at least two other occassions.  First to the Rebel Alliance shortly after the Battle of Endor, then again to the cloned Palpatine some years later.

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by Slasher
I must admit that the Vong's conquering of Coruscant probably isn't as big of a deal as I made it out to be earlier.  Coruscant has, after all, fallen to an invasion force on at least two other occassions.  First to the Rebel Alliance shortly after the Battle of Endor, then again to the cloned Palpatine some years later.

I'm not sure that just because Coruscant fell so many times to invaders means that it's worthless. It's just the opposite, I would think. If so many armies have expended so many resources and lives to capturing it, then it must be of great tactical, strategic and political value. Otherwise, no one, neither Empire, New Republic or Vong, would have fought so hard and spent so much in resources and lives to capture it.

[Bobboau]

on a completly unrealated note, I just downloaded those old starwars fighters and stuf and they were made by V's BSPgen, isn't that interesting, someone from V sent those things in, boy, I sure do miss those old days were V actualy cared

[Styxx]

Originally posted by Bobboau
on a completly unrealated note, I just downloaded those old starwars fighters and stuf and they were made by V's BSPgen, isn't that interesting, someone from V sent those things in, boy, I sure do miss those old days were V actualy cared

What? There were "mods" that were compiled with V's tools?

[Bobboau]

look in the PINF chunk, thats BSPgen's fingerprint

[Slasher]

Originally posted by Su-tehp


I'm not sure that just because Coruscant fell so many times to invaders means that it's worthless. It's just the opposite, I would think. If so many armies have expended so many resources and lives to capturing it, then it must be of great tactical, strategic and political value. Otherwise, no one, neither Empire, New Republic or Vong, would have fought so hard and spent so much in resources and lives to capture it.

True, although that's not the point I was trying to make.  What I meant was that I shouldn't have been so surprised that Coruscant fell because it has, in fact, succumbed to invasion at least twice before.  In both cases, the defenders put up a valiant struggle.  The people sitting in the throne has changed many times, and probably will for many years to come.  But by no means did I mean to say that the galactic capitol is worthless.

In this case, however, the New Republic failed in its pledge to defend its citizens.  Now they're just a bunch of loosers.

[Setekh]

Originally posted by Bobboau
look in the PINF chunk, thats BSPgen's fingerprint

"BSP"Gen..?

[Mr. Vega]

Originally posted by Su-tehp


I'm not sure that just because Coruscant fell so many times to invaders means that it's worthless. It's just the opposite, I would think. If so many armies have expended so many resources and lives to capturing it, then it must be of great tactical, strategic and political value. Otherwise, no one, neither Empire, New Republic or Vong, would have fought so hard and spent so much in resources and lives to capture it.

Coruscant was so important to the Rebels and the Empire because it is the very symbol of authority. Its been the center of governments since recorded history in Star Wars.

[NeoHunter]

Originally posted by Su-tehp
ISD= Imperial-class Star Destroyer

SSD= Super Star Destroyer

Hey, who's read those New Jedi Order Series books? I've read a couple of them and they ROCK ASS!

I have! I think it rocks too! But I find it quite hard to visualise a Bothan Assault Cruiser and those Yuuzhan Vong ships. Anybody know of any site where I can actually see them???

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by NeoHunter
But I find it quite hard to visualise a Bothan Assault Cruiser and those Yuuzhan Vong ships. Anybody know of any site where I can actually see them???

[NeoHunter]

Where can I find them? Don't just nod your head!!!