[Mongoose]

Regarding the Hecate, I'd be willing to bet that its design stage was in tandem with that of the Hatshepsut, at least in terms of relative capabilities.  The Hecate was obviously designed as more of a carrier and/or command and control vessel, while the Hatshepsut works much better as a direct-assault vessel (at least if it jumps in at the right angle).  Even putting that aside, a destroyer-class vessel would most likely rarely be alone during normal operations; I'd expect that they'd probably be escorted by a corvette and at least one or two cruisers.

[AlphaOne]

I believe we all agree that the GTVA needed a C&C and support ship. And the Hecate can do that . What we do not agree it seems is the fact that such a important ship doesn't have the firepower to take out even a corvette.

It doesnt have to win against destroyer's but if it came under direct fire from other warships it should at least be able to take out a lowly corvette .


Also people keep telling that the era of direct capship vs capship combat has ended . However i would beg to differ with the advent of beam cannons cap vs cap combat is a real fact. Bombers are powerfull il admit to that they are in fact crazy powerfull however bombers and bombs can be shot down beam's can not.


Also that do you do when you are faced with something like a Lucy or a Sath ?? Use just bombers to take it out ?? Imposible . They would be taken out really fast by interceptors and flack.

Corvette's appeared to move in the right direction massive aaaf capabilaties with 4 beam cannons on it. (Deimos)

However there is no doubt about the fact that there is and will be a need for a dedicated warship armed with beam cannons.


I swear if the Hecate was armed with any weaker beams the only thing that could classify it as a destroyer would be what ?? its size?! and that is about it. They are better off calling it a C&C heavy carrier. Since it would fit the description more acurately.

And leave the classification of destroyer to the Orion and the Hattie .

However i must say the Hecate is one fine looking ship . too bad its awesomeness is not backed up by the adequate punch.

Nevertheless i love the Hecate class and i would much rather have one on mi side then be forced to take one out.

[Dilmah G]

Amen

Destroyers function as more like Combat Support, with the Fighter and Bomber Wings like the knuckles of the fist. There's only so much you can do to someone by hitting them, Destroyers are that final knee to the head or curb stomp.

Capship-Capship combat is not dead, but those type of engagements usually involve great numbers of smaller wings and vessels, not two lone Capships sitting next to each other.

[Mars]

Any ship is as powerful as the FREDer wants them to be. Think about it like a TV show, think SGA, the Deadalus goes from unable to take out a Ha'Tek to being able to take out Ancient Battleships.

The Hecate is slightly inferior to the Orion in the tables, and is always getting destroyed in the campagin. That doesn't mean that's how it was intended to come across.

[Galemp]

Any ship is as powerful as the FREDer wants them to be.

That's Rule 0 of storytelling, whether you're writing for TV or for a D&D Campaign--whatever the storyteller says, goes.

[Droid803]

Yeah, its also easy to switch armaments in FRED.

[Dilmah G]

Yeah

I prefer switching its TSlash's to BGreens, the AI can't really make full use of it's Forward Slash beams otherwise (or so I find)

[dANGER boy]

Stinks that they had to make the Hecate look so good.  I would love it if the Orion and Hecate were switched.

[Dilmah G]

Stinks that they had to make the Hecate look so good.  I would love it if the Orion and Hecate were switched.

I don't see what's bad about that, I like the Hecate, just think that they must've assigned a sped on armanment though

[Krelus]

Yeah

I prefer switching its TSlash's to BGreens, the AI can't really make full use of it's Forward Slash beams otherwise (or so I find)

I briefly touched on this thought before. The problem isn't so much that the Hecate has slash beams. It's that the TerSlash is an incredibly weak piece of junk, when placed on a destroyer. Switch those TerSlashes to something more destroyer-appropriate - say, a custom slash beam roughly 80% as powerful as the awesome VSlash - and it becomes a subsystem-annihilating monster.

[Commander Zane]

Stinks that they had to make the Hecate look so good.  I would love it if the Orion and Hecate were switched.

I don't see what's bad about that, I like the Hecate, just think that they must've assigned a sped on armanment though

Or they forgot which turrets were which considering there's these gigantic turrets that fire of all things...flak.

[Droid803]

At least they aren't Terran Huge Turrets like on the Orion.
Those suck even harder than flak.

[Dilmah G]

At least they aren't Terran Huge Turrets like on the Orion.
Those suck even harder than flak.

QFT

Unfortunately my .tbm spedness dictates I'll have to stick to FRED-ing Hecate beams to BGreens rather than making my own UBER-SLASH

[eliex]

At least they aren't Terran Huge Turrets like on the Orion.
Those suck even harder than flak.

Terran turrets are still better than flak at destroying incoming bombs for some reason though.

[ssmit132]

Flak have splash damage, while THTs apply damage direct. If I recall correctly.

[Droid803]

Yeah, but Flak is far deadlier against bombers. The long range flak the Hecate has on its big turrets are the same weapon the Sath uses to knock you around with in bearbaiting, and those hurt on higher difficulties, while THTs can be dodged fairly easily regardless.

[Dilmah G]

Yeah, but Flak is far deadlier against bombers. The long range flak the Hecate has on its big turrets are the same weapon the Sath uses to knock you around with in bearbaiting, and those hurt on higher difficulties, while THTs can be dodged fairly easily regardless.

*Shudders at the thought of having to brave Bearbaiting again*

Flak is a bomber's worst enemy, period.

[eliex]

Flak is a bomber's worst enemy, period.

No. AA beams are. 

[Rodo]

Flak is a bomber's worst enemy, period.

No. AA beams are. 

mmm nouuu... heavy flak indeed is worst than AAA beams... and it applies not just for bombers.

[Dilmah G]

At least in a Perseus you can punch the burners AND IT DOES SOMETHING!

In an Ursa burners are only useful for keeping up with YOUR OWN ESCORT! Or doing the Helios some justice