[Dilmah G]

Cannibal island would be much better. Nothing would go to waste.

I see someone had the economic crisis in mind.

[S-99]

Suleman could then build a budget house out of milk cartons.

[Dilmah G]

Suleman could then build a budget house out of milk cartons.

That's the stuff

[iamzack]

I sorta wish I could afford to donate to the woman, and I hope other people do. She's dumb and definitely has made a number of huge mistakes, but those babies need all the help they can get. :[

It could be worse. She seems like she really does care about her kids. She just apparently isn't smart enough to realize how having more kids affects the chances of all of them...

[Dilmah G]

I sorta wish I could afford to donate to the woman, and I hope other people do. She's dumb and definitely has made a number of huge mistakes, but those babies need all the help they can get. :[

It could be worse. She seems like she really does care about her kids. She just apparently isn't smart enough to realize how having more kids affects the chances of all of them...

Or she acknowledges that but is too hard on the bottle w/ever to actually help it.

[iamzack]

I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt: she's just an idiot.

[BloodEagle]

I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt: she's just an idiot.

She is foolish. If she were ignorant (which remains to be seen), then she wouldn't have made use of artificial insemination (or whatever it was).

[iamzack]

Artificial insemination isn't secret technology. I decided that's how I was gonna have kids when I was four. And that was before I learned that the sun is a star.

[S-99]

If i have kids. It's not going to be for a while. 3 max, and also if i happen to get married with a good environment for kids. Doing this by the time i'm 30 seems like a solid plan for me.

Maybe i'll end up like my dad. Didn't decide with my mom to have me until he was 40 (my dad's 8 years older than my mom)

[iamzack]

My mum always says she didn't want kids until she got pregnant. She's a liar. She hates kids.

[S-99]

For all we know suleman will take all of the donations towards being selfish again. Maybe becoming an alcoholic with the proceeds because instead of having a lot of kids to be loved by, now she wants to forget all her problems.

[maje]

Wouldn't the doctor have been able to object to her insane request on ethical grounds the same way a lawyer can not defend a client he finds morally repugnant?

I mean, I suppose she could attempt to sue the doctor, but I don't see who in their right mind would rule in her favor.

[S-99]

Yes doctors can object to treating patients. I think the doctor that did get her artificially enseminated was an idiot. They didn't do any basic research or find out how many kids she had and that she's also of low income. Or maybe he did know all of this from asking questions, but did anyway because the doctor was a dip****.

If one doctor objected to artificially enseminating her, then she'd just find another doctor who wouldn't. Her search would be rather endless, she would eventually find a yes doctor. But, the way things work in reality, if a doctor rarely objects to performing a treatment then she'd find a second opinion pretty fast.

If the doctor did find it morally repugnant (i would also say high degree of motherly irresponsibility) and he did it anyway, then that was just a dumb **** doctor. Though, most likely she found a doctor first time around who just said yes.

[Hades]

Just because the doctor did his job, doesn't make him stupid. He does need money to put food on the table, after all.

[Dilmah G]

Just because the doctor did his job, doesn't make him stupid. He does need money to put food on the table, after all.

I see your point, but don't they have some say over whether the patient should go through the procedure?

[S-99]

Quite oviously this doctor should have said no. Screw his poverty implications, i'd rather be poor than unleashing an idiot on society. He should have said no. It's not like she wouldn't have been able to find another doctor who would say yes. Then again, any doctor saying yes to the procedure after reviewing her situation is a re****.

[General Battuta]

Quite oviously this doctor should have said no. Screw his poverty implications, i'd rather be poor than unleashing an idiot on society. He should have said no. It's not like she wouldn't have been able to find another doctor who would say yes. Then again, any doctor saying yes to the procedure after reviewing her situation is a re****.

But don't you think that might have been against his ethical code as a doctor? He can't deny service based on his own personal prejudice, mayhaps.

[maje]

General, with all due respect, could you in good conscience, consent to this woman getting herself pregnant with another batch of children, considering she's not right in the head, is exerting herself beyond reason, and has no means to take care of the children other than to leech off the American taxpayers, just so you, the good doctor, can make a buck?

This isn't "personal prejudice", this is knowing the difference between right and wrong, accusations of seeming "judge-mental" be damned.

Hades, I find your reasoning to be flawed in this matter.  Doctors have numerous patients.  Not performing a non-essential (to life) requested procedure on some mentally-troubled person is going to send him to the poor house.

And even so, he's screwing more people over than he's helping.

[karajorma]

One question I have to ask. If she's so poor how the hell did she afford IVF in the first place?

[General Battuta]

General, with all due respect, could you in good conscience, consent to this woman getting herself pregnant with another batch of children, considering she's not right in the head, is exerting herself beyond reason, and has no means to take care of the children other than to leech off the American taxpayers, just so you, the good doctor, can make a buck

No, you miss my point. It may be that he could be sued, or at the very least violate his own oaths or otherwise be held responsible, if he didn't provide a service. Or he could simply have believed it wasn't his place to discriminate -- instead, it was his job to provide service to whoever required it, and he couldn't morally do otherwise.

It has nothing to do with what I think, and please don't make it personal. I'm just floating prospectives.