[Lucika]

I'd create 2 or 3 (or more) Hadeses instead of the Collie.
And I would enter the portal but only to establish a defence until the studies are done. After that, retreat and blow the whole hell up!
Yup, and deploy more ships against the rebel run to the portal. I don't believe that "our forces are currenty tied down" crap. You should always have a few reinforcements at hand.

Yeah, build three jury-rigged, half-completed shells of Terran super-destroyers with some obsolete Shivan beam cannons hastily bolted on and no point defense at all. Good idea.

Come on, if you'd have 20 years to modify the concept (and to have the resources as the amount for building the Colly), I guess you'd make sg out of that ship.
Or create a new concept, but, for God's sake, not a capship, but a juggernaut-killer with a lot of firepower and (only if necessary of course) relatively weak defenses. Image 5-10 modified Hadeses with proper fighter and bomber cover converging upon that Sath, Their Finest Hour would have been Our Finest Hour...

By the way, I'd like to add that I would retire the Hecate class (tho it is rarely seen in action except fleeing the nebula).

[azile0]

I would have mass-produced Mjlonir-class turrets, and stationed them in every controlled system. Set up a sensor at each end of the node to alert you of incoming ships. I would have scrapped the Aeolus, because it's really overshadowed by the Deimos. I'd have retired the Orion. Seriously. It's big, but that's it. I would have put my resources into researching BFReds.

If you don't disband the Orion, then you could mount BFGreens onto the aforementioned Destroyer. Even if it only had one. A single BFRed on an Orion could decimate any enemy ship. When I get my new computer, I'm going to try that out. Mount a BFRed onto an Orion, and make it run a gauntlet.

I've been itching for a BoE for a while...

[Grizzly]

What everyone is forgetting is that every mission was not built to be 'realistic', but to be 'playable'. Off-course we would have put a few Mjolnir RBC's around the jump node the sath was coming out of and let the Colussus engage the little bugger there, but that would just ruin the need of Alpha 1 being stationed there, or it would involve having several warships around, which would then be too straining on the computer etc. etc. etc.

[Lucika]

Nowadays, comps won't have problem with a lot of ships (I know, it was released long ago, but now we are considering the pure strategical reasons)

Not playable? Add a lot more of Shivan craft! (I'd wipe the whole Mjolnir out of the game. It's too powerful.

[AlphaOne]

For that reason why not wipe out the BFRed wich is like beyond ridiculous powerfull.


Also the Orion is the most powerfull destroyer out there in a anti-cap ship role. It has the most powerfull broad side of ANY GTVA destroyer. It it ideal for blocading nodes.

Also The Hecate has its use. It is designed as a C&C cap ship. Meaning it was not designed to take it up to the enemy but stay back deploy fighters where needed use its sensors and such for coordination of the fleets and battle deployments !

However replacing the Orion with the Hecate is a very big mistake.

You dont even need the Collie to take out the Sath or hold the fort against shivan jugg's !

Just gather at least 2 or 3 Hattie's and a few Orion's with full fighter bomber complement and deploy them around the node. Place 4 or 5 Mjolnir's there and i can guarantee no fricking Shivan Jugg is gonna last long enough .

I mean you have a concentrated power of at least 6 BG and an aditional 6 Bvas and an aditional 6 slashers(useless but still...) And you have 4 or 5 Mjolnir's ! Add to this the bombers and fighter and i can guarantee any shivan jugg is gone get blown away really fast !

[Snail]

You dont even need the Collie to take out the Sath or hold the fort against shivan jugg's !

Just gather at least 2 or 3 Hattie's and a few Orion's with full fighter bomber complement and deploy them around the node. Place 4 or 5 Mjolnir's there and i can guarantee no fricking Shivan Jugg is gonna last long enough .

I mean you have a concentrated power of at least 6 BG and an aditional 6 Bvas and an aditional 6 slashers(useless but still...) And you have 4 or 5 Mjolnir's ! Add to this the bombers and fighter and i can guarantee any shivan jugg is gone get blown away really fast !

That's assuming you can even get that blockade up in time before the Sathanas comes and mows it all down.

Even if you do get it up in time, under the firepower of 80 Sathanes (and an untold number of Shivan ships) any blockade would crumble eventually.

[Lucika]

I'd like to ask the question: What would you use instead of the Dolly Colly?

[Snail]

I'd like to ask the question: What would you use instead of the Dolly Colly?

Bombers.

[General Battuta]

Yeah, it's odd how many people maintain that they could somehow stop the Shivans.

Even if you physically blocked the node with a massive shell of neutronium, the Sath fleet would just find another way around.

We're helpless before them; that was the lesson of FS2. No amount of Trashman ingenuity or AlphaOne enthusiasm can stop the Shivans.

[Lucika]

Yeah, it's odd how many people maintain that they could somehow stop the Shivans.

Even if you physically blocked the node with a massive shell of neutronium, the Sath fleet would just find another way around.

We're helpless before them; that was the lesson of FS2. No amount of Trashman ingenuity or AlphaOne enthusiasm can stop the Shivans.

Of course. We are just looking for methods more useful than the ones Command has used.

[Snail]

I'm sure even Command thought, "Hey, let's put all our destroyers at the node. That will stop them!" but decided not to. And I'd give him credit for that, 'cause even 8 Orions wouldn't have lasted two minutes against 80 Saths.

[AlphaOne]

Youre assuming ALL 80 Jugg's are gonna come out of the hump node at once.

[Snail]

Youre assuming ALL 80 Jugg's are gonna come out of the hump node at once.

You're assuming that the Shivans are stupid. They're not going to send in one Juggernaut one after another, in sequence, until all 80 are destroyed. No. That's not what they'd do.

Even if you do hold down the blockade and destroy a few Sathanes (which, frankly, even with 10 Hatshepsuts is a pretty tall order), eventually the Shivans will get the point and do something. Be that send in bombers, make a diversion, or, I dunno, find a way around, they'll still get you.


Point is, there's no simple solution to defeating the Shivans or any intelligent force. Don't come out and say "If you place a Mjolnir behind the node the Shivans are doomed, that's the way the GTVA win the war", because that's daft. It's not that simple.

[Dark RevenantX]

Exactly.  In fact, in the campaign I'm doing, Command will try enormous blockades at least twice, but get soundly defeated each time.

[terran_emperor]

...hump node...

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Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot is a "hump node"?
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If i was command, id have had the Iceni wasted the first chance i got

[Snail]

If i was command, id have had the Iceni wasted the first chance i got

Then you'd never get the ETAK device.

[karajorma]

Would have been a bloody short game too. Six missions or so. No Shivans.

[Titan]

Would have been a bloody short game too. Six missions or so. No Shivans.

that's the best part. No SSI. No... ****, that gives me an idea.

[TrashMan]

Youre assuming ALL 80 Jugg's are gonna come out of the hump node at once.

You're assuming that the Shivans are stupid. They're not going to send in one Juggernaut one after another, in sequence, until all 80 are destroyed. No. That's not what they'd do.

How else would you send them? You can't exactly fit 80 of them in a node at once. not to mention that if they just rush in they will end up ramming into each other.
Node warfare is similar to trenach warfare. The node is a bottleneck. That's the only reason why the NTF managed to last as long as it did - because you need some serious power to break trough a blockade.

Point is, there's no simple solution to defeating the Shivans or any intelligent force. Don't come out and say "If you place a Mjolnir behind the node the Shivans are doomed, that's the way the GTVA win the war", because that's daft. It's not that simple.

If they see the node is too well defended, they probably won't use it - yes, you are right. The probably wont' continue coming trough one by one only to be blown to bits.
but hey - stoping them from coming trough is the goal...so yeah..I'd call that a win. Let them search for a another way around.

We're helpless before them; that was the lesson of FS2. No amount of Trashman ingenuity or AlphaOne enthusiasm can stop the Shivans.

Bah. That only goes to show you you're not using enough TrashMan ingenuity.

[Coolhand1980]

I don't know that the GTVA could stop the Shivans. You have to stop AT LEAST 80 Saths and who knows how many Ravanas and Demons. The GTVA could hardly muster the forces to take down just 1 Sath, let alone 80 of them. If the Shivans sent just 4 or 5 Saths in at once, they could likely vaporize the entire GTVA fleet if it was pitted against the 4 or 5 Saths. I know a lot of people say that FS1 was more desperate than FS2, but in FS2 the threat that the Shivans pose was revealed to be even more terrorfying than what was shown in FS1. In FS1 the shivans (the Lucy) could only immolate the surface of a planet, now they can destroy a whole star sytem in 1 swift blow(even puts the Death Star to shame).

I don't know that the node blockades could even work against the Saths because it looked like each Sath was capable of creating its own jump field. There's no way to stop them. Damn I wish they made FS3, FS2 left so many unanswered questions and the Shivans are as mysterious as they ever were.