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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Cockpits, fighters, and sundry (split from Celebration of FS)
Heheh, people have been saying 'the era of dogfights has ended' since Korea and Vietnam, and it never does.
You can rest assured however that by 2367 the age of dogfights HAS ended, at least for interceptors. Trebuchets down Seraphims better than any Perseus ever could.

Yes. It's true.

I have to say, the Phoenix V was a bit better-balanced than the Treb.

 
Re: Cockpits, fighters, and sundry (split from Celebration of FS)
What do you call a fighter that intercepts interceptors?

Such a ship would be usefull to keep the Treb-equipped fighters too busy to shoot down bombers.
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Offline Woolie Wool

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Re: Cockpits, fighters, and sundry (split from Celebration of FS)
Heheh, people have been saying 'the era of dogfights has ended' since Korea and Vietnam, and it never does.
You can rest assured however that by 2367 the age of dogfights HAS ended, at least for interceptors. Trebuchets down Seraphims better than any Perseus ever could.

Interceptors aren't supposed to "dogfight". The Perseus is a space superiority fighter pretending to be an interceptor, and really ought to be filling the Myrmidon's shoes. Compare it to the Horus, which is a piss-poor dogfighter but a very fast and capable interceptor.

What do you call a fighter that intercepts interceptors?

A bomber escort. The usual choice for that is a heavy assault fighter.
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Re: Cockpits, fighters, and sundry (split from Celebration of FS)
Well, since everyone uses Potatoes with huge amounts of Trebs as "interceptors", I'd say that the Perseus or SF Dragon would make, by far, the best bomber escorts in the game, both being able to dodge Trebs, reach the heavies fast, and outdogfight them.
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Offline Polpolion

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Re: Cockpits, fighters, and sundry (split from Celebration of FS)
Heheh, people have been saying 'the era of dogfights has ended' since Korea and Vietnam, and it never does.
You can rest assured however that by 2367 the age of dogfights HAS ended, at least for interceptors. Trebuchets down Seraphims better than any Perseus ever could.

Disregarding the fact that a Trebuchet is a relatively large, expensive missile and is only usable once, as opposed to a normal sized, moderately expensive, highly reusable and versatile fighter?

 

Offline Woolie Wool

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Re: Cockpits, fighters, and sundry (split from Celebration of FS)
Not to mention that if the bombers jump in closer than 2000 meters from their target, the potato with Trebuchets is thoroughly boned.
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Re: Cockpits, fighters, and sundry (split from Celebration of FS)
Which is why I use the Erynies with 8 Kaysers for intercepts.

I treat the Perseus as an antifighter unit, both offensive and defensive.
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Offline Woolie Wool

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Re: Cockpits, fighters, and sundry (split from Celebration of FS)
Why the hell would you put two banks of Kaysers in an Erinyes? The Erinyes doesn't have anywhere near enough energy for double Kaysers, not even on Easy.

As for intercept, the proper tool is the Valkyrie, but Command, in a fit of "brilliance", discontinued it.
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Re: Cockpits, fighters, and sundry (split from Celebration of FS)
It does. Even on medium.
It depends on how you use it.
The trick is not to spray and pray, but to be like Darth Vader in ANH and wait for the right moment before letting loose a torrent of death from your eight banks.
However, this is a terrible loadout for actually intercepting bombs because you DO have to spray and pray for those.
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Offline Androgeos Exeunt

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Re: Cockpits, fighters, and sundry (split from Celebration of FS)
I don't know...the Valkyrie seemed quite fragile. I thought the Perseus was better even though I always encounter problems trying to aim while flying circles around everything.
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Offline Dilmah G

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Re: Cockpits, fighters, and sundry (split from Celebration of FS)
I don't know...the Valkyrie seemed quite fragile. I thought the Perseus was better even though I always encounter problems trying to aim while flying circles around everything.

I don't have any gripes about the Perseus, but the Valk is a piece of carboard sticky-taped to a powerful engine. If they replaced the carboard with something more durable, it would be perfectly okay.

 

Offline eliex

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Re: Cockpits, fighters, and sundry (split from Celebration of FS)
Totally agreed. I have no serious problems with the Valk apart from the fact that it's comms system is very vulnerable especially attacking Nephilims and Seraphims which is what it is normally used for. The Perseus is considerably much more durable and has no such weaknesses.

 

Offline Androgeos Exeunt

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Re: Cockpits, fighters, and sundry (split from Celebration of FS)
...even on Very Easy, some of my wingmen can STILL get killed in less than a minute while flying a Valk! :wakka:
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Offline Charismatic

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Re: Cockpits, fighters, and sundry (split from Celebration of FS)
Which might explain why they tend to die quite a lot flying those things. :drevil:

Thats what iv been saying..
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Offline Woolie Wool

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Re: Cockpits, fighters, and sundry (split from Celebration of FS)
...even on Very Easy, some of my wingmen can STILL get killed in less than a minute while flying a Valk! :wakka:
Your wingmen are more likely to die on Very Easy due to weaker AI.
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Offline S-99

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Re: Cockpits, fighters, and sundry (split from Celebration of FS)
What do you call a fighter that intercepts interceptors?

Such a ship would be usefull to keep the Treb-equipped fighters too busy to shoot down bombers.

The SF Dragon
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Offline Pred the Penguin

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Re: Cockpits, fighters, and sundry (split from Celebration of FS)
FS cockpits seem to be loosely based on modern attack helicopter gunships.

In that respect, it makes a lot more sense. =/

 

Offline Dilmah G

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Re: Cockpits, fighters, and sundry (split from Celebration of FS)
FS cockpits seem to be loosely based on modern attack helicopter gunships.

In that respect, it makes a lot more sense. =/

Well if you see in the FS Intro cutscene, it looks enough like the cockpit of any modern interceptor....with notably less switches.

 

Offline Pred the Penguin

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Re: Cockpits, fighters, and sundry (split from Celebration of FS)
I was referring to the the non-existing rear visibility, but you're right there.

Then again, how do we what any of those buttons do. :lol:

 

Offline Dilmah G

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Re: Cockpits, fighters, and sundry (split from Celebration of FS)
I was referring to the the non-existing rear visibility, but you're right there.

Then again, how do we what any of those buttons do. :lol:

Oh yes true, on both counts  :D