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Offline Romanmolf

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Re: New theory - The ruse: Aken Bosch as an allied operative
I can't.

 

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Re: New theory - The ruse: Aken Bosch as an allied operative
You can't say that any fan-made theories are canon, period. End of story.

 

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Re: New theory - The ruse: Aken Bosch as an allied operative
Who said that they're canon? All I said is that what they're based on is canon. :rolleyes:
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Re: New theory - The ruse: Aken Bosch as an allied operative
Shockingly, I completely agree with Mobius on this point.  One obviously can't say that any specific campaign, or even idea, taking place after the end of FS2 is canon, but the two issues he mentioned are established by the canon material of FS2 and would obviously be concerns in the period afterwards.  We know there are now 250 million Capellan refugees that the GTVA will have to deal with somehow, and we can at least surmise that further research into studies of the Knossos gate will eventually lead the GTVA to a point where they're able to construct one of their own, or at least leave them far closer to being able to re-establish contact with Sol than they were before FS2.  None of this is coming from outside of the game.

 

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Re: New theory - The ruse: Aken Bosch as an allied operative
*facepalm*

The whole Tau Sigma issue is not canon because it's fanmade but the Capellan refugees issue is a canon one, easily deduced. It's likely to be one of the major issues of the early Post-Capella period.

Same for the Sol Gate. The GTI Melia is not canon, nor is Inferno, but the fact that the GTVA has the knowledge to reopen the jump node after the Second Shivan Incursion is canon. It's even mentioned by Petrach at the end. Reopening the node would be an important Post-Capella issue, possibly much more important than the Capellan refugees.


I'd like to know if you can deny those facts.  :rolleyes:


Sure, sure, we can suppose that these logical issues will be handled logically. But that doesn't mean we 'can't deny' that this will happen. We can deny it and instead suppose that in FS3 the GTVA would've become a whimpering, huddling wreck.

And if FS3 did that, instead of dealing with the refugee issue or the return to Earth, that would be canon. So yes, until it's canon, we can deny it all we want.

Shockingly, I completely agree with Mobius on this point.  One obviously can't say that any specific campaign, or even idea, taking place after the end of FS2 is canon, but the two issues he mentioned are established by the canon material of FS2 and would obviously be concerns in the period afterwards.  We know there are now 250 million Capellan refugees that the GTVA will have to deal with somehow, and we can at least surmise that further research into studies of the Knossos gate will eventually lead the GTVA to a point where they're able to construct one of their own, or at least leave them far closer to being able to re-establish contact with Sol than they were before FS2.  None of this is coming from outside of the game.

See above -- it's very logical, I agree that this is what would happen next, it's all firmly based on canon, but we don't know it would happen until it happens, which it never will.

 

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Re: New theory - The ruse: Aken Bosch as an allied operative
See above -- it's very logical, I agree that this is what would happen next, it's all firmly based on canon, but we don't know it would happen until it happens, which it never will.
And neither of us said that either of those two events will certainly happen, just that they are definitely issues that will be present in the post-Capella period due to what unfolded during FS2.  Whether they would have wound up being resolved or not is up to the nonexistent sequel. :p

 

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Re: New theory - The ruse: Aken Bosch as an allied operative
As long as you don't say random stuff is certainly canon I'm fine with it.

What really pisses me off is when people come out and say "My theory is canon!!"


IMO, if it's not specifically said by :v:, it's not canon. Otherwise it's fanon.

 

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Re: New theory - The ruse: Aken Bosch as an allied operative
Otherwise it's fanon.

It's not fanon. Do you even know what does fanon stand for?
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Re: New theory - The ruse: Aken Bosch as an allied operative
If I know well, fanon is the part of the canon what the community accepts as canon... am I correct?

(By the way, I still owe a post of my theory. I WILL do it, I promise :))
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Re: New theory - The ruse: Aken Bosch as an allied operative
If I know well, fanon is the part of the canon what the community accepts as canon... am I correct?

More like "widely accepted", which means that it's intended to fill the gaps in canon, but still in an unofficial way.

Non-canon and fanon are not the same thing.
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Re: New theory - The ruse: Aken Bosch as an allied operative
If I know well, fanon is the part of the canon what the community accepts as canon... am I correct?

More like "widely accepted", which means that it's intended to fill the gaps in canon, but still in an unofficial way.

Non-canon and fanon are not the same thing.


So, for instance, ST:R is fanon?
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Re: New theory - The ruse: Aken Bosch as an allied operative
So, for instance, ST:R is fanon?

I don't think so. Although it's a very cool campaign many of its plot choices aren't accepted by everyone. Snail, for example, didn't like the fact that the GTI was "reduced" to a bunch of Vasudan haters in ST:R.
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Re: New theory - The ruse: Aken Bosch as an allied operative
More like "widely accepted", which means that it's intended to fill the gaps in canon, but still in an unofficial way.
Which is what I meant.

If it's just a theory that isn't canon, but is still accepted, it's still non-canon. It's fanon.

 

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Re: New theory - The ruse: Aken Bosch as an allied operative
"Widely accepted" is a bit ambiguous, IMO, because it's very hard to create something the whole community is likely to accept.

Derelict is very good and popular, but not everyone would like it to be considered fanon.
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Re: New theory - The ruse: Aken Bosch as an allied operative
Ok, how about this.

Everything which is not in the game or otherwise confirmed by :v:, is non-canon.

 

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Re: New theory - The ruse: Aken Bosch as an allied operative
Looks like the American continent has been discovered a second time. Thank you, Snail, for telling us humans something we would have never thought of. :p

Fanon is to fill gaps in canon, like the GTVA fleet assignments made by a fellow member...uhm...I don't remember his name.
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Re: New theory - The ruse: Aken Bosch as an allied operative
What's going on, Mobius? You seem really tense.

 

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Re: New theory - The ruse: Aken Bosch as an allied operative
Ok, how about this.

Everything which is not in the game or otherwise confirmed by :v:, is non-canon.

By the way, the only thing I want is to convince everyone that my theory is possible and plausible.
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Re: New theory - The ruse: Aken Bosch as an allied operative
*facepalm*

The whole Tau Sigma issue is not canon because it's fanmade but the Capellan refugees issue is a canon one, easily deduced. It's likely to be one of the major issues of the early Post-Capella period.

Same for the Sol Gate. The GTI Melia is not canon, nor is Inferno, but the fact that the GTVA has the knowledge to reopen the jump node after the Second Shivan Incursion is canon. It's even mentioned by Petrach at the end. Reopening the node would be an important Post-Capella issue, possibly much more important than the Capellan refugees.


I'd like to know if you can deny those facts.  :rolleyes:


Cant deny it!
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Re: New theory - The ruse: Aken Bosch as an allied operative
Fanon doesn't actually exist, its just bollocks thought up by fans who want to make their perceptions seem more important.
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