[Pred the Penguin]

Wouldn't it be Sathanases?

[Mobius]

Sathanas is Greek, not English.

[Snail]

Sathanas is Greek, not English.

It's a name, however.

And names don't follow conjugations.

[Mobius]

In FS it's not used as a proper name, though...

[Snail]

In FS it's not used as a proper name, though...

Oh?

[Mobius]

It's not a name like the others. As ship class name, it should could be conjugated.

Also, the Greek plural form is incredibly better than it's supposed English counterpart.

[Galemp]

They've only ever been pluralized as Sathanas Juggernauts.

And a big benefit of having the SJD Saths is that none of them have weapons, turrets, or subsystems of any kind, which cuts down on loading times and memory usage. As has been mentioned they appear around Capella as well, so it was probably a good investment on 's part.

[Snail]

So ship names aren't proper nouns suddenly?

Futt the whuck?

[Mobius]

As long as people use terms like "Sathanas Juggernauts" it's ok but when it comes to venturing in the creation of absurd plural forms like Sathani or Sathanases then it's much better to use the Greek word.

[Snail]

That is, in your opinion.

[Mobius]

If you want to read weird misspellings, go ahead.

[Pred the Penguin]

I think I'll go with Sathanas Juggernauts....

[Mobius]

Which is correct. You may check the Wiki for additional explanations.

[S-99]

Sathani. There you go. The plural of sathanas. Or, there is the equivalent sathanasuses. We speak english here so we don't care about greek pluralization.

[Pred the Penguin]

That's what make speakers of English so annoying sometimes. They always think their way is right. Then again, I do that too sometimes , but it's something I try to prevent.

[Jeff Vader]

That's what make speakers of English so annoying sometimes. They always think their way is right.

But the point is that the game is in English. Made by people speaking (American) English. There is little reason to be concerned with Greek grammar.

Incidentally, no one has complained about the fact that Mjöllnir is misspelled as Mjolnir. Why? Because no one gives a ****.

[Enigmatic Entity]

Sathani

It's...


...Sathanes!

NO ONE GIVES A FRAK

Just 'cause they're big doesn't mean you have to shout...

I don't actually mind - I am able to realise that "Sathani", "Sathanes", "Sathanases", "Sathanasuses", etc. mean the same thing.

Just on a side note, I want to try something: (actually, I'd better make it smaller, or else big Sathanas like objects will come bearing down on this small and insignificant entity...)

☺

[Pred the Penguin]

Incidentally, no one has complained about the fact that Mjöllnir is misspelled as Mjolnir. Why? Because no one gives a ****.

That's actually been bothering me for awhile...

But I guess you're right, no ones really bothered enough by it to press for changes in-game. Even the non-Americans that make up a significant part of this community...

[S-99]

I speak english i care about my own and others grammar that speaks my language. You do the same with whatever you're language is here. Sort of like how your language goes, you have your own rules for pluralizations as does my language. I will follow what my language calls for. Sathani or sathanuses is sufficient for english. I don't care how annoying it is. English is a very choppy sounding language, that's how it was from day one.

[Mobius]

Incidentally, no one has complained about the fact that Mjöllnir is misspelled as Mjolnir. Why? Because no one gives a ****.

Mjolnir is a widely accepted form because the original one has been progressively phased out. FreeSpace is not the only game using an alternate form of "Mjöllnir".

Sathanas is a completely different matter since it's more a neologism that anything else. The original Greek form is "Satanas", without the "h". The English "Satan" comes straight from it. What we're dealing with is some sort of hybrid and not actually a pure/assimilated English word. It was only a way to make "Satanas" cooler, and a very good way I may add.

never used the form Sathani or Sathanes and circumvented the plural form issue by using the term "Sathanas Juggernaut", which is a very good option. When it comes to a normal plural form, however, people are well advised to use "Sathanes" because it's grammatically correct.

On a side note, what's the problem in taking distance from English grammar? The game is in English but it's clearly specified in FreeSpace that Terran populations maintain their old traditions and accents. Why wouldn't a Greek word be acceptable?

I don't actually mind - I am able to realise that "Sathani", "Sathanes", "Sathanases", "Sathanasuses", etc. mean the same thing.

As player you're free to do it but please forgive me for paying attention on names under a FREDding point of view. I don't think a campaign showing countless ways to misspell the plural form of Sathanas would demonstrate a high level of text editing.

That's actually been bothering me for awhile...

But I guess you're right, no ones really bothered enough by it to press for changes in-game. Even the non-Americans that make up a significant part of this community...

That's weird since Mjöllnir is not an American English word. Why would the "non-Americans" complain in the first place?

I speak english i care about my own and others grammar that speaks my language. You do the same with whatever you're language is here. Sort of like how your language goes, you have your own rules for pluralizations as does my language. I will follow what my language calls for. Sathani or sathanuses is sufficient for english. I don't care how annoying it is. English is a very choppy sounding language, that's how it was from day one.

Read above. Why would you apply your grammar to a word that has nothing to do with it? You should rather adapt.