[darkdaej]

I don't know exactly where to post this because it does not qualify as a technical issue or a story-based question.

I was just wondering...  I was doing that suicide mission (Into the lion's den i believe it's called) and since after 4 minutes everything worthwhile had been fragged, i simply waited by the node and started scanning.  I was looking at Knossos 3 and noticed that when the juggernaughts arrive, no warp effect is seen when you view from target.  I then targetted and Juggernaughts and realised that there are no juggernaughts in this mission, only placeholders which show the juggernaughts in the target view in bottom-left, but the "ships" themselves are triangles.

I was just wondering...  is it actually POSSIBLE to have 9 Jugs without having the game crash?  I used FRED2(made missions for fun, but never figured out how SEXP's work for beams) before the SCP and i know it did crash when you put in too many capships, but I kinda expected SCP to be able to display those 9 juggers.

[Snail]

It's possible, yeah, but since I you're never going to get close enough to those 9 guys to actually see them I think it'd be entirely unnecessary.

[darkdaej]

It's possible, yeah, but since I you're never going to get close enough to those 9 guys to actually see them I think it'd be entirely unnecessary.

Maybe so, but since one can simply target them and press the "view from target" button to see them...I guess they should be put up in there.

Also, Now this may be because i cleared the three shivan comm nodes very quickly (in under 4 minutes) as well as the fighter wings, I never saw the rakshasa and moloch warp in(i think also a cain or lilith warped in on occasion).  Does anyone know if those two capships are still in the mission?  I know for a fact there were some cruisers to wipe out in the retail version...

[Snail]

Maybe so, but since one can simply target them and press the "view from target" button to see them...I guess they should be put up in there.

Well only the very observant player is going to do that. For the vast majority most people wouldn't even give those Saths a second thought. Besides there's no sense in the performance loss that'd cause just so that a few people can have the satisfaction of knowing there are 9 6km juggernauts 100,000 meters away.

Also, Now this may be because i cleared the three shivan comm nodes very quickly (in under 4 minutes) as well as the fighter wings, I never saw the rakshasa and moloch warp in(i think also a cain or lilith warped in on occasion).  Does anyone know if those two capships are still in the mission?  I know for a fact there were some cruisers to wipe out in the retail version...

Huh.

The missions shouldn't have been changed that much. In fact they should have been practically identical. I'm at a loss as to why none of these other ships are present.

As I recall there should be quite a few Rakshasas to blow up. Not sure I saw a Moloch or any Cains/Liliths on my various play throughs of it.

[darkdaej]

I'll try playing through it again, if I still have issues with that mission i'll record my game, upload it and open a thread in the support section.  All i had to do in that mission was dodge the sathanas , kill the 4-5 fighter wings (with the 3 instanteneous-warp-in-when-you-kill-the-last-one-of-the-previous-wing Aquarius Nahemas), destroy the 3 comm nodes and then i waited for 8 mins for a fighter wing to spawn(astaroths), another minute for the nebiros to arrive and then warp out 45 seconds later.

I know the rakshasas aren't in map upon mission start but actually warp in, but they NEVER showed up last time around.

[Snail]

Probably you didn't trigger something. Probably caused by the order in which you pursued your objectives.

[Mongoose]

Any half-decent computer from the past five years or so could presumably easily handle having that many Sathanas juggernauts in-mission, especially considering the extremely low-poly LODs that would be displayed at that vast distance.  However, this wasn't necessarily the case when FS2 was first released, and so came up with the "SJD Juggernaut" model in order to save people some framerate.

[Pred the Penguin]

I remember getting pretty confused when I saw the triangles. I was thinking "Where the hell are all the Sathanas? O_o"

[ssmit132]

I was just wondering...  is it actually POSSIBLE to have 9 Jugs without having the game crash?  I used FRED2(made missions for fun, but never figured out how SEXP's work for beams) before the SCP and i know it did crash when you put in too many capships, but I kinda expected SCP to be able to display those 9 juggers.

I did that once. Just a plain replacement of the SJDs. But they got stuck on the Knossos and warped into each other and it was all a big mess.

[blowfish]

Yeah.  The mission isn't designed for full scale juggernauts to be warping in.  Though it wouldn't be too hard to make it...

[Dilmah G]

Yeah.  The mission isn't designed for full scale juggernauts to be warping in.  Though it wouldn't be too hard to make it...

No point thought

[Jeff Vader]

Indeed. If someone wanted to remake the mission to actually have the Saths in there, he might as well remake the last Capella missions so that there'd be over 80 Saths at the direction of the sun.

[Dilmah G]

Indeed. If someone wanted to remake the mission to actually have the Saths in there, he might as well remake the last Capella missions so that there'd be over 80 Saths at the direction of the sun.

Yeah, that mission was awesome by the way

[S-99]

That mission totally made it worth while for going on the second soc loop.

[Dilmah G]

That mission totally made it worth while for going on the second soc loop.

When Lightning falls was a good one as well, made me feel "SOC". Cannon Fest with some brains required= SOC

[Enigmatic Entity]

It's possible, yeah, but since I you're never going to get close enough to those 9 guys to actually see them I think it'd be entirely unnecessary.

Including ~ + I and 64X time compressor?  Oh yeah, and those Nahema bombers warp in 1000m away no matter where you go. I've fired upon the SJD class before - they accelerate, and do a wierd little curvy flight path. When you exterminate them using ~ + K *10, you get rocked by the Sathanas-sized explosion.

[Dilmah G]

It's possible, yeah, but since I you're never going to get close enough to those 9 guys to actually see them I think it'd be entirely unnecessary.

Including ~ + I and 64X time compressor?  Oh yeah, and those Nahema bombers warp in 1000m away no matter where you go. I've fired upon the SJD class before - they accelerate, and do a wierd little curvy flight path. When you exterminate them using ~ + K *10, you get rocked by the Sathanas-sized explosion.

I had never, ever, thought of that

[Mobius]

Sathani

It's...


...Sathanes!

[blowfish]

NO ONE GIVES A FRAK

[Jeff Vader]

...Sathanes![/mobius]

There is an island next to Africa.
That island is called Madagaskar.
In that island, there is a village called Mahajanga.
In Mahajanga, there lives a tribe called Kolime.
The Kolime tribe has a totem pole in the center of their village.
On top of that totem pole, there is a rock.
And even that rock is interested.