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Are cruisers obsolete?

Yes!
15 (28.8%)
No!  They still have a role!
37 (71.2%)

Total Members Voted: 52

Voting closed: March 20, 2002, 07:50:47 am

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Offline aldo_14

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Do you think there's any need for cruisers in Freespace?    Especially as the newer corvette classes can do all they can, and are much stronger?

Personally, I think cruisers are obsolete -  and corvettes should replace them completely - being used both as defensive ships, and hunting in packs against destroyers.

The other thing is that cruisers are pretty useless - a few fighters can take them down fairly easily with bombs, and they are not as efficient as a few interceptors in protecting a convoy - or as bombers attacking one.

 

Offline LtNarol

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ya, i think they're rather useless, but sometimes, their firepower comes in handy.  I would not want to take down a moloch when my wing is in interceptors, easier just to disable and disarm it and call in a cruiser to finish it off.

 

Offline Ulundel

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Play my campaign's first mission.

Deimos vs. Lilith :headz:   :doh:  :doubt:  :sigh:

 

Offline Stunaep

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Deimos can kick a Lilith any day.

But no, some cruisers can be really a pain in the old behind (khm-khm, Aeolus).

Cruisers rock. They should be fitted with more AAA instead of the puny SGreens, and they'd make one hell of a fighter supression weapon.
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Offline Ulundel

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Originally posted by Stunaep
Deimos can kick a Lilith any day.


Not really. Deimos has only slash beams but Lilith pummels it with SRed.

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Offline Dranon

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Cruisers should probably just become Anti-Fighter/Bomber platforms.  They don't do well against anything bigger than themself (except the shivan cruisers, not the Cain though).
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Offline CP5670

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Cruisers seem to be used more as convoy escorts, whereas corvettes are full-power assault warships. They both have their uses though. ;)

 

Offline Su-tehp

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D'OH! :doh: D'OH! :doh: D'OH! :doh: D'OH! :doh: D'OH! :doh:

I read the voting poll and I thought it said "Are cruisers still USEFUL?" and hit Yes; I didn't realize that the poll actually said "Are cruisers OBSOLETE?"

Christ, I feel like a Floridian who voted for Pat Buchanan by mistake. Damn butterfly ballots! :mad::mad2:

If any moderators reads this, please edit the vote count accordingly.

Terran and Vasudan cruisers are still useful as convoy escorts, IMO. As for assault purposes, they're outclassed and outgunned by the Shivan cruiser equivalents, so there's no use in pitting Aeolus, Fenris and Leviathan cruisers against, say, Rakshasas and Liliths (which are much more heavily armed). But defending convoys against Shivan fighters would still be a viable alternative for the Allied cruisers.

Oh, BTW, the Lilith has an LRed, not an SRed, as its main cannon. Now THIS is a cruiser that can be dangerous to larger ships. With its LRed, a Lilith can shred a Hecate destroyer in less than a minute. I should know, I designed the validated multiplayer mission "Knife Fight" where exactly this situation happens if the players aren't careful. If you don't take out the Lilith's LRed in the first few seconds after it appears, the GTD Aquitaine won't survive the mission.
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Offline Blue Lion

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Of course cruisers are still useful, any mission that requires a cap but not nesecarily a corvette, like escort duty. Cruisers are probably cheaper to build and will always have a role

 
I agree that they still have a role guarding convoys. Unless you have a slow convoy, a corvette (or heaven forbid a destroyer) is just going to slow the whole thing down, somthing you don't want in a combat environment.
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Offline Shrike

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Of course cruisers have a role.  They eat fighters for breakfast.  Watch what two or three Aeoluses in a supporting formation can do.
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Offline LtNarol

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Leviathans can be quite a pain as well, especially when they point their flanks at you, tallk about beams.

 

Offline TheVirtu

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That would be something..

*Alpha Leader, freighter convoy with food supplies jumping in, intercept*
*Oh ****! Their escort is the GTD Aquataine!*
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Offline Su-tehp

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Originally posted by TheVirtu
That would be something..

*Alpha Leader, freighter convoy with food supplies jumping in, intercept*
*Oh ****! Their escort is the GTD Aquataine!*


LOL!:D That would suck, wouldn't it? Getting pummeled by a Hecate's flak isn't high on my "to do" list... ;)
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Offline Liberator

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Cruisers will never be obsolete!
Cruiser will continue to have a vital role as fighter-screens for larger vessels, and so have a role in a light-escort role.

The Leviathan and even the Aeolus, are showing their age by the time of the second great war.  New cruisers that have been hinted at by the boys at the design depts. of Triton Dynamic, the Akehton Corporation, and others show great promise of expanding the cruisers role in the modern GTVA navy.  Improved weapons and fire-control are key components allowing the crusier to fill frontline combat roles.
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Offline Anaz

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Cruisers 0\/\/n!!!




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Offline Galemp

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I remember that thing. I liked it, a lot.
Now that I get a fresh look, why not break it into two models: a cruiser/freighter and a large cargo container that's just a fighterbay? Could be interesting.

Cruisers are still fast enough to act as convoy escort, and can be small mobile command posts over cargo depots. A bit more comfortable than sitting in a fighter for two hours where nothing happens.
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Offline Eishtmo

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Crusiers, in my opinion are the best class of ships in the game.  No other class can do so much while risking so little.  Look at all they can do:  scout, picket, run interferance, flank, escort and chew thorugh fighters.  They've got numbers on their side as well, allowing a well led squadron of ships to take on anything from vetts to jugs with acceptable losses.  Properly outfitted, they can hold positions and become integral parts of a defensive lines.  Sure, destroyers are flash, vetts have big beams, and jugs are just plain big, but would you send one of those into an unexplored system?  **** no!  You'll send the more versital, more expendable, and braver cruiser in first.  Fighters chewing up your convoy?  A fighter squadron would be helpful, but if you had a trio of crusiers covering you to begin with, do you think those fighters would have tried any ****?  And how many times could a single, well placed beam, save an entire campaign?  A lot, I'm sure.

The crusier class rules all others, and will remain the mainstay of the GTVA fleet for a very long time to come.
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Offline Blue Lion

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Offline LtNarol

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i think you're overlooking the fact that cruisers are still slower than fighters, and while their firepower is rather impressive, 12 pilots can do a lot more than a crew of 1000 (or however many there are) on a cruiser.  A single fighter armed with maxim cannons can take a cruiser down with less than 10 seconds of fire.

Cruisers still have their uses, but they're not what i would use as a all purpose vessel.  I personally would much rather send a wing or squadron to recon, for convoy escort, a cruiser with a wing of fighters is a good combo, and for taking down juggs, we have something called bombers, lots and lots of bombers.