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Offline Bobboau

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http://jim.com/cowards.htm

keep in mind it is directed at an American conservative audience, so try to ignore the over use of the phrase 'liberal elite'.
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Is your life worth protecting? If so, whose responsibility is it to protect it? If you believe that it is the police's, not only are you wrong — since the courts universally rule that they have no legal obligation to do so — but you face some difficult moral quandaries. How can you rightfully ask another human being to risk his life to protect yours, when you will assume no responsibility yourself? Because that is his job and we pay him to do it? Because your life is of incalculable value, but his is only worth the $30,000 salary we pay him? If you believe it reprehensible to possess the means and will to use lethal force to repel a criminal assault, how can you call upon another to do so for you?

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I figured--another article claiming the only answer to crime is GUNS GUNS GUNS AND MORE GUNS.

Because the female jogger about to be mugged and raped he talks about has the self-control to not panic when faced six burly and menacing men.

Because the average American does have the skill to weild a handgun inside their own house during a terrifying robbery situation. Seriously, what if they end up putting holes in everything but the robber.

Because the society I want to live in is one based on fear and the threat of violence. Where everyone in the country walks around with a gun on their hip.
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Guns don't kill people. People do.

What America has failed to realise that they are a nation of people who do kill. The pro-gun lobby constantly point to Canada and Switzerland as examples of countries where gun ownership is high and say "See! Guns != death"

The problem is that as a nation America can't be trusted with  guns. And I say that as someone from a nation that also can't be trusted with them. Which is why the UK outlawed them. The UK is a nation full of belligerent people. Give everyone in the UK guns and we'd have as much gun crime as the US. Maybe more. People who otherwise wouldn't commit any crime would probably be shooting each other in the street over things that they'd simply get angry about and then walk away from as things are now.
 Fortunately the people of the UK seem to by and large realise this and as a result there are no big arguments in favour of gun ownership from the general public.

The true cowardice in the situation is that pro-gun America refuses to accept this fact about themselves.
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Because the average American does have the skill to weild a handgun inside their own house during a terrifying robbery situation. Seriously, what if they end up putting holes in everything but the robber.

On the other hand, nobody in their right mind is going to keep coming faced with someone who's demonstrated both the means and the will to pump out the bullets at them. Rough surveys indicate that at the point somebody produces a gun, much less starts shooting, most robbers will give up and settle for escaping with their skin intact if they can. If you could trust people to keep their guns in the nightstand or under the counter instead of carrying them, then this would be much less of an issue.

Belligerence is a ridiculous excuse. Canada is every bit as belligerent, or at least much of it is. But they don't carry a firearm in the purse. Sweden is an even more blatant example of the point.

Because the society I want to live in is one based on fear and the threat of violence. Where everyone in the country walks around with a gun on their hip.

It'd be very polite, though. Because you don't want to give somebody a reason. :P
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I think most of you have missed the point entirely, it's not about safety, it's about you being responsible for your self, or at the very least you being allowed to be responsible for yourself if you want to be.
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Fortunately the people of the UK seem to by and large realise this and as a result there are no big arguments in favour of gun ownership from the general public.

I recall reading from a newspaper that the knife crime and stabbings have suddenly increased in UK, especially among the young. But maybe that is the point when you said about that you cannot trust people with firearms? What kind is the actual ban of firearms? Can you own shotguns and rifles?

The basic problem that is that peope feel insecure in the society. That is the reason they carry weapons. Maybe the solution is to increase police funding and stricter penalties. In a way that the jail doesn't become the criminal university. The core of the problem is that people see that the justice system does not work and take matters to their own hands.

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I see you are clearly not commenting on the article posted.
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Anyone accusing someone of being a pussy because they don't own a firearm is stupid.

 

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name calling.
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name calling.

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obvious troll is obvious.
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Guns are kinda meh. I prefer melee weapons. Never underestimate the power of blunt trauma...
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Guns are kinda meh. I prefer melee weapons. Never underestimate the power of blunt trauma...

You mean a concussion.
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Guns are kinda meh. I prefer melee weapons. Never underestimate the power of blunt trauma...
You mean a concussion...
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name calling.

I thought you were all for name calling when the idea expressed was stupid?

I recall reading from a newspaper that the knife crime and stabbings have suddenly increased in UK, especially among the young.

From what I've heard Knife crime in general is actually down. It has however increased amongst the young and that is a rather worrying development.

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But maybe that is the point when you said about that you cannot trust people with firearms?


Yep. That's exactly what I was on about. Although the rise in stabbings is worrying if these people had easy access to firearms there would be a lot more killings. Especially when you consider that it's fairly hard to accidentally stab someone compared with the ease with which you can hit someone else with crossfire.

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What kind is the actual ban of firearms? Can you own shotguns and rifles?

The ban pretty much covers all private ownership of handguns and sawn off shotguns. Rifles are allowed for people who need them (like farmers for shooting rabbits, etc) There are certain exceptions of course.

Belligerence is a ridiculous excuse. Canada is every bit as belligerent, or at least much of it is.


I didn't say it wasn't. My point was that America is full of people who would quite happily pull out a gun and start blasting and think about the consequences later. Maybe Canada is too but they have realised that fact. I don't know enough about the Swiss to say whether they are too. Maybe they are.

Canada has a much higher rate of ownership of rifles and shotguns vs the American preoccupation with handguns. Belligerent or not Canada does accept that they need strict controls on handguns. If you listen to the NRA and the pro-gun lobby you'd think the solution was to hand out guns and carry permits to everyone. Even in Switzerland where most households have a gun carry permits are only handed out when the person can claim that they face a specific danger (for instance people working in security).

My main point is that America can't simply point at Canada and Switzerland and say "Guns work for them, so they'll work for us" America needs to realise that those countries are doing something to prevent them having crime rates as high as America.

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But they don't carry a firearm in the purse.

Yep. And that cuts out a lot of it. But you still run the risk of being shot by your partner. Lock boxes would give you a few seconds to think about what you're doing but how are you ever going to make those mandatory?
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name calling.

I thought you were all for name calling when the idea expressed was stupid?

if that's his opinion I have no problem with him expressing it, doesn't mean I won't call him on dodging the issue.

If you listen to the NRA and the pro-gun lobby you'd think the solution was to hand out guns and carry permits to everyone.

"Similar vituperation is rained upon the NRA, characterized by Sen. Edward Kennedy as the "pusher's best friend," lampooned in political cartoons as standing for the right of children to carry firearms to school and, in general, portrayed as standing for an individual's God-given right to blow people away at will."

lol


My main point is that America can't simply point at Canada and Switzerland and say "Guns work for them, so they'll work for us" America needs to realise that those countries are doing something to prevent them having crime rates as high as America.


funny thing is a main point of the article is that Americans have lost the sence of self responsibility that is correlated with defending ones self. perhaps the thing these other countries are doing is not instilling into the population from a young age that they should rely on authority figures to protect them at all times?
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I'll say this then,


Columbine anyone?

Virginia Tech anyone?

or how about the school in finland?

or the one in germany?


Nuff said