[General Battuta]

So you're perfectly cool with a man marrying a woman, even if the woman has a penis?

Or does it have to be the union between a male and a female?

[Scotty]

I think by definition that if a woman has a penis, she is technically 'male,' as such as 'male' is the term for the gender that houses small, mobile gametes.

Personally, I think of marriage as union between a man and a woman, biologically and any other trappings that such entails.  I think that a union between two members of the same sex is not "marriage" but just a "union."  Opinion, not fact.

[General Battuta]

No, if it has a penis it's either a male or an intersex individual. That doesn't make it a man. Man is a gender and therefore a social construct, and female individuals may be men (or identify themselves as 'queer' or transgender, alternatively, but not equivalently.)

Whoops, misread your remark.

What you want to say there is that you think of marriage as a union between a 'male' and a 'female'. Those are biological terms.

So is it genetic-level sex that matters? Does it have to be an XX and an XY? What about an XX and an XXY individual? What about a man and a hermaphrodite? What about a man marrying a genetic male who's undergone gender assignment surgery and now identifies as a woman and has the equipment of a female?

None of these are marriage in your book, right?

[MP-Ryan]

I think by definition that if a woman has a penis, she is technically 'male,' as such as 'male' is the term for the gender that houses small, mobile gametes.

Read, please:  http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,62416.msg1232957.html#msg1232957

[iamzack]

Marriage means union. To marry is to bring together as one. There is no gender specification beyond connotations.

After all, didn't marriage used to be between two people of the same race? And before that, a man and his wives?

[FUBAR-BDHR]

Didn't read all 8 pages of this but why can't the 2 be separated just like church and state are supposed to?  The state gives civil union licenses which are basically partnerships just like in business.   Marriage is a religious thing and should not be recognized at all by the government.  You want to get married go to your church.  You want to form a partnership go get a license.  You want you marriage to be seen by the government do both. 

Solves the whole damn problem.  Separation of church and state are there for a reason. 

[iamzack]

I couldn't care less what it is called, as long as it is called one thing (and one thing ONLY) by the government.

[TrashMan]

What about a man marrying a genetic male who's undergone gender assignment surgery and now identifies as a woman and has the equipment of a female?

None of these are marriage in your book, right?

I classify transvestites as an "it".

[iamzack]

What about a man marrying a genetic male who's undergone gender assignment surgery and now identifies as a woman and has the equipment of a female?

None of these are marriage in your book, right?

I classify transvestites as an "it".

First of all, he wasn't referring to transvestites. He was referring to transsexuals. There's a huge difference.

Second of all, aren't you all Christian and ****? Isn't against your all-loving, all-humans-are-better-than-other-animals policies to dehumanize and devalue a human life like that?

You, sir, are an ignorant, bigoted hypocrite.

[TrashMan]

Dehumanize and devalue? Who's dehumanizing them? They are very much human.
It's just that I believe that humans are in general morons and not really better than animals in the first place. And some are bigger morons than others. Yet I still love humanity.

O, and you considering me ignorant, bigot and hypocrite...*sniff*. You wound me Sir. You really do. I must now play a sad tune on the worlds smallest violin. Surely your flawed opinions on my character have destroyed my fragile psyche! Oh, the AGONY!

[Snail]

O, and you considering me ignorant, bigot and hypocrite...*sniff*. You wound me Sir. You really do. I must now play a sad tune on the worlds smallest violin. Surely your flawed opinions on my character have destroyed my fragile psyche! Oh, the AGONY!

I don't know if that's cute, funny, annoying or just downright stupid.


EDIT:
I'm settling on a combination of the last two.

[karajorma]

Okay, calm down guys. Let's avoid the name calling.

[General Battuta]

iamzack, it's generally safer to just disregard Trashman's contributions to GenDisc threads.

[Turambar]

You wound me Sir.

That's Ma'am, trashhole.

iamzack, it's generally safer to just disregard Trashman's contributions to GenDisc threads.

She will keep this in mind in the future.

[TrashMan]

iamzack, it's generally safer to just disregard Trashman's contributions to GenDisc threads.

In general, it's wise thing to just ignore pretty much everyone, not just me. You included.

Forum debates are very rarely intelectual or literary highhlights of anyones day.

That's Ma'am, trashhole.

You sure? Better doublecheck.

[Turambar]

iamzack, it's generally safer to just disregard Trashman's contributions to GenDisc threads.

In general, it's wise thing to just ignore pretty much everyone, not just me. You included.

Forum debates are very rarely intelectual or literary highhlights of anyones day.

That's Ma'am, trashhole.

You sure? Better doublecheck.

that was iamzack typing btw.  she is here right now.  and naked.  definitely a girl.

[NGTM-1R]

In general, it's wise thing to just ignore pretty much everyone, not just me. You included.

Forum debates are very rarely intelectual or literary highhlights of anyones day.

Obviously you don't read what Battuta usually posts.

that was iamzack typing btw.  she is here right now.  and naked.  definitely a girl.

You see, Turey, (may I call you Turey? It's the dimunitive form of Turambar ), things like that are inherently unbelieveable. Understatement works much better. The people who it's worth letting know will get it. The people who it's not, won't.

Unless of course those people are now frantically going back to reevaluate every post I've made in GenDisc in the last three years. In which case they might find something after all.

[redsniper]

Unless of course those people are now frantically going back to reevaluate every post I've made in GenDisc in the last three years. In which case they might find something after all.

So... you're a girl?

[NGTM-1R]

So... you're a girl?

Or they're just going to pull the wrong conclusion anyways, I suppose. Anything not expressly forbidden by physical law is still possible...

[Charismatic]

I believe the solution to this problem is abortions.

I'm against abortions.