[iamzack]

Making abortion illegal opens the door for a number of other things... Can you charge a woman with homicide if she starves herself until she miscarries?

[General Battuta]

Bollocks. Reduced lifespan and happiness my ass.
Wait, are you counting self-plesuring under sex (as in - any sexual activity at all)? I want to see those statistics. And I doubt they would be very reliable..Since people tend to lie a lot when it comes to sex.

The evidence here comes from two sources: correlative links between sex and fitness, and experiments (much better!) in which one group was assigned to have a certain amount of sex, then tested for happiness and fitness. They were better off than control groups, including control groups given comparable non-sexual exercises.

Let me put it this way:
If I, a man (who is more instinct and hormone driven than a woman) can keep my pants on, then so can a woman.

You have no data to support that remark, and, in fact, it's not scientifically valid at all.

Second, you're generalizing your own behavior to a large group.

Unfortunately you're doing nothing to shake my view of you as an established misogynist. However, I will not debate further with you as it will probably lead you into another ban.

[NGTM-1R]

Everything has consequences. That's just a fact of life.

There's no such thing as "consequence-free sex" (or consequence-free anything for that matter).

Of course.

However labeling pregnancy a necessary consequence of sex is bull****. It's neither necessary nor certain even without the use of contraceptives or abortificants.

[Scotty]

the point of it being guaranteed or not is moot.  Pregnancy is a consequence of sex without contraceptives, and should not be simply disregarded because "they can just get an abortion later."

[General Battuta]

Don't have sex without contraceptives. But if you do, you still have the freedom to get an abortion. The market should discourage that behavior by making it more costly, right?

And it's not a consequence for sex without contraceptives for you, mister. Why do you get any input?

[NGTM-1R]

the point of it being guaranteed or not is moot.  Pregnancy is a consequence of sex without contraceptives, and should not be simply disregarded because "they can just get an abortion later."

No.

It's not.

And you're spouting bull**** as I just explained.

Not every instance of sex will automatically end in pregnancy despite not using contraceptives. It is not a necessary or natural consequence of pregnancy. It never was.

[Scotty]

the point of it being guaranteed or not is moot.  Pregnancy is a consequence of sex without contraceptives, and should not be simply disregarded because "they can just get an abortion later."

No.

It's not.

And you're spouting bull**** as I just explained.

Not every instance of sex will automatically end in pregnancy despite not using contraceptives. It is not a necessary or natural consequence of pregnancy. It never was.

Where do I say necessary?  It is, however, a consequence (read: it can happen directly becuase of sex, therefore, it is a consequence).  Sex exists as a reproductive method.  That would be why our particular form of reproduction is called sexual reproduction.  I believe that somewhere earlier in this thread someone said something about that (I'll look it up later).

[colecampbell666]

And finally, I don't WANT to keep my pants on. I want to have consequence-free sex, and that's my prerogative.

Just cause you want something doesn't make it your right or your prerogative.

WHAT THE ****! SHE CAN DO WHATEVER THE **** SHE WANTS!  WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO JUDGE HER, AND TELL HER WHAT SHE CAN AND CAN'T DO. YOU ARE CROSSING THE LINE FROM IGNORANT TO ASSHOLE!

(Sorry admins, but that goes a bit over. I can't stand self-righteous holier-than-though **** like that.)

[General Battuta]

the point of it being guaranteed or not is moot.  Pregnancy is a consequence of sex without contraceptives, and should not be simply disregarded because "they can just get an abortion later."

No.

It's not.

And you're spouting bull**** as I just explained.

Not every instance of sex will automatically end in pregnancy despite not using contraceptives. It is not a necessary or natural consequence of pregnancy. It never was.

Where do I say necessary?  It is, however, a consequence (read: it can happen directly becuase of sex, therefore, it is a consequence).  Sex exists as a reproductive method.  That would be why our particular form of reproduction is called sexual reproduction.  I believe that somewhere earlier in this thread someone said something about that (I'll look it up later).

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahaha no.

'Sexual reproduction' is practiced by organisms down to the unicellular mechanism. It has nothing to do with socially valuable, mutually enjoyable, highly pleasurable sex. In many species these traits are completely absent. It remains a scientific mystery, for example, why women can experience orgasm.

Our sex isn't called sex because it's sexual reproduction. Very few species seem to enjoy casual sex -- which suggests our sex is special, in that it is a social and bonding mechanism not necessarily related to reproduction.

Also, colecampbell, I empathize with your feeling.

[iamzack]

Actually, female orgasm involves muscle contractions which increase the amount of sperm brought up to the cervixy area.

[NGTM-1R]

Where do I say necessary?  It is, however, a consequence (read: it can happen directly becuase of sex, therefore, it is a consequence).  Sex exists as a reproductive method.  That would be why our particular form of reproduction is called sexual reproduction.  I believe that somewhere earlier in this thread someone said something about that (I'll look it up later).

I could, of course, present this a binary set: if it's not necessary, then it must be unnecessary, and therefore safe to dispense with.

However rather than do that...it is a very poor reproductive method. Numerous species are much better adapted (dogs for example) to ensure sex is effective at reproduction. We are not. Consider the reason.

[Liberator]

But it's a greater than zero chance that it will end in pregnancy.  Actually, it's about 1 in 4 that it will end in pregnancy.

Killing babies isn't a solution for anything, I don't care if it cured cancer, parkinson's and AIDS all in one swipe just by the act of killing, it's not worth the cost ethically, morally, or spiritually.

On the point of social sex, sex is a pleasureable(or so I've been told), bonding event because it helps a mated pair maintain the relationship in a positive way.  Despite what you think, until very very recently, casual sex resulted in the spread of some rather horrific diseases so there was a definate social downside to leading a loose lifestyle.

[iamzack]

Well now we can prevent that. Isn't it great?

Sex is awesome.

[General Battuta]

Actually, female orgasm involves muscle contractions which increase the amount of sperm brought up to the cervixy area.

No no no no -- that's one very likely theory, but there's still debate on the topic.

[iamzack]

I read a study about how that's the case. Not a definitive reason for it existing, of course.

[Scotty]

Actually, female orgasm involves muscle contractions which increase the amount of sperm brought up to the cervixy area.

No no no no -- that's one very likely theory, but there's still debate on the topic.

Yet, you can't just dismiss it because there is still debate.

The point is, sex is a form of reproduction.  It also functions as a social tool to keep couples together, as brought up earlier.

However, being a form of reproduction, there is the chance of pregnancy as a result.

Damn, now I can't remember what we were originally arguing about.

[colecampbell666]

Ann Coulter.

[Scotty]

No, not that, last page .  Who cares about Ann Coulter?

[Nuclear1]

And finally, I don't WANT to keep my pants on. I want to have consequence-free sex, and that's my prerogative.

Just cause you want something doesn't make it your right or your prerogative.

Is that so?

[colecampbell666]

Dude, I already told him. Do you think it'll listen anyways? (watch him ***** at me for being juvenile)

NO MORE SEX IT MAKES BABBYS AND BAD ZAKC KILLS THEM SHE DOESN'T LIKE BABBY SHE R MONSTR ROOOOORRR ROOOOOORRRR!