[NGTM-1R]

Seems pretty much about right.  With big thick outlines like that sometimes it's tough to get an exact scale, so for the most part I aimed for my edges to line up just short of the middle or inside the outline in some cases.  Going by the outer black edge leaves a rather bubbly shape.

I'm still trying to figure out where the extra six pixels are coming from myself, but I'm at loss...and lunch break's over so this'll be my last post on the subject for a few hours.

Conflicting references, I'm also looking at many other images, especially those on the box art of the Hasegawa model kits, which are incredibly well done if you ask me.  I chose to scale them to the size seen in those paintings, where they are quite prominent.  I'm still fiddling with their shape

Fair enough. To be honest, IIRC those are running lights or something similar, and your design makes more sense, but that wasn't quite the point of the conversation.

I disagree, as chief pointed out, it seems to match up quite well except for right at the base where the head will be.  That's simply a matter of sanity, you can have either a flat bottomed nose (which doesn't seem to be the case) or an indentation that rises higher up.  I chose the latter.

The indentation appears to be of different shape, with the nose rising earlier in the plan view; I don't trust overlay to effectively show that kind of difference myself (the plan view's heavy lines hide things), and looking at the pictures side by side it definitely seems to be different.

Well, first off, they're not lasers, (unless you're talking about a single bad case of commissioned animation by an outside company, which most macross fans choose to ignore)

But anyways, they're placeholders

Sue me. I tend to regard the list of VF-1 weapons systems from the Robotech RPG as my reference. Besides, personal Discontinuity is all well and good, but expect it to bite you at some point.

That's a matter of conflicting references, while that plan view has one smaller than the other, many other pictures have them equally scaled

Fair enough. (I note the large VF-1 in flight line drawing I have does more or less exactly that.)

Artistic and functional choice for when it transforms to Battroid mode, as well as once again a case of conflicting references.  In battroid mode, the forward "toe" protrudes further forward than the rear.  If both were the same length in fighter mode, but with the rear having a sharper angle, it would have to stretch further back than the forward.

Fair enough, if getting this to transform properly is an objective. (And I admire your tenacity even if I slightly question your sanity for doing so, I tried to model a Cyclone from Mospeda/Robotech The Third once and discovered transformation was totally impossible).

[brandx0]

Just on the note of personal discontinuity, it's not personal, it's official.  Egan Loo's Macross Compendium, which is accepted as official canon, says they're not lasers.

[TrashMan]

Uuuh. Roy died from internal bleeding after fending off an actual Zentraedi assault.

Yes..but what caused the bleeding in the first place?

And we don't know what happened to Global and the rest after the First Space War, besides the fact that Global retired.

WTF? Kryion chrashed a battleship into the immobile SDF-1. Everyone died.


@brandx0 - As I have been saying, the original design is sound, the drawn proportions are off..especially the beefy arms and too small backpack.
Interestingly enough the VF-0 solves the leg problems in a simpler fashion

Yeah, so what? It's still a hopeful series. Not BSG grimdark at all.
If it was BSG grimdark, all the pilots would have slept around with each other and there would have been loads of angst.

You say that like it's a bad thing.
BSG can kiss my a***.

[Commander Zane]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

It is when the show's opening presents itself as an intense war series then throws sex scenes every five seconds at you.
The first episode was the reason why I didn't watch the damn show.

[Narvi]

Uuuh. Roy died from internal bleeding after fending off an actual Zentraedi assault.

Yes..but what caused the bleeding in the first place?

An actual Zentraedi assault. It's war. People die.

And we don't know what happened to Global and the rest after the First Space War, besides the fact that Global retired.

WTF? Kryion chrashed a battleship into the immobile SDF-1. Everyone died.

What are you on? I don't remember this happening at all. Which series was it?

...you're confusing this with Robotech, aren't you?

Yeah, so what? It's still a hopeful series. Not BSG grimdark at all.
If it was BSG grimdark, all the pilots would have slept around with each other and there would have been loads of angst.

You say that like it's a bad thing.
BSG can kiss my a***.

Well, duh, lots of boring angst is a bad thing. Macross managed to be dark while still being optimistic.  There's a difference. (There was also an actual love story as well. None of this silly 'sleep around with each other because we are all have psychological problems'.)

[TrashMan]

An actual Zentraedi assault. It's war. People die.

I seem to recall the damage to his craft and the bleeding being caused by a friendly craft during that assault....hmmmm

[brandx0]

Nah, it was a Queadluun-Rau that got him. 

[brandx0]

Bit of an update here, got the beginnings of a gunpod, upper arms, and some more detail on the upper intakes and upper legs, as well as some slight reshaping here and there:









Also, back to clay renders for now, the colours were really just for testing purposes, as mentioned.  Also, I'm aware of the slight smoothing problem at the back of the upper surface

[NGTM-1R]

The gunpod is definitely too small; it should be large enough to extend beneath the leg fins slightly in F mode and the muzzle brake does not work that way; there is no actual slimming of the weapon past it since it's purely for show beyond that point. (This looks like the Anti-UN Valkyrie gun pod more than the VF-1.) More of a cigar shape than a cigarette at that.

[brandx0]

I beg to differ

[NGTM-1R]

Differing reference. Mine show it another way.

The size point stands, look at the plan view from earlier in the thread.

[Unknown Target]

Trash, you're wrong. Pretty much every character minus Hikaru's annoying wingmate (what was his name? the fat one), and Roy survived at the end of the show. Also, Roy died fighting off Meltradi + Zentraidi while they were captured by them.

Seriously, you're just wrong mate. Go watch the show again if you don't believe us.

[StarSlayer]

Trash, you're wrong. Pretty much every character minus Hikaru's annoying wingmate (what was his name? the fat one), and Roy survived at the end of the show. Also, Roy died fighting off Meltradi + Zentraidi while they were captured by them.

Seriously, you're just wrong mate. Go watch the show again if you don't believe us.

Actually I think Trash is right in this case, in the "rebuilding" story arc of the show after the big sing along battle over earth some Zentradii rebels do in fact crash a capital ship into the landed SDF-1 and I have to assume killing off the bridge crew.  I can understand if people forget it the arc is pretty boring and felt tacked on after the previous one.  It mostly centers around the Lynn Minmay/Misa Hayase/Hikaru love triangle.


From Wikipedia:
"Two years after the end of the first Space War the transition into the Human ways becomes difficult to some Zentradi who can't stand the idea of a pacified life. Quamzin Kravshera constantly incites conflicts towards the civilians. He repairs a damaged Zentradi warship to return to his old ways and attacks the new Macross City built around the SDF-1. Moments before the final Zentradi attack, Misa Hayase tells Hikaru Ichijyo of her feelings for him and her decision to leave to space in a colonization mission to preserve human culture across the galaxy. Lynn Minmay, who was left by Kaifun and now loves Hikaru, doesn't want him to leave to join the fight. However, Hikaru still goes to defend the city anyway. Eventually Quamzin is destroyed. After a long emotional conflict Hikaru finally decides to be with Misa and join the colonization mission, but the two remain good friends with Minmay in the end."


Sorry for contributing to the OT Brand, so that I don't feel like a complete reprobate I should say the Valkyrie looks ace.

[Narvi]

The bridge crew survive though. The Macross just gets badly damaged in that instance. He's confusing it with Robotech, where the bridge crew do die.

Brand, you going to model a transformed version as well?

[brandx0]

Of course

[brandx0]

Bit of an update here.

[Scooby_Doo]

It's Jetfire... oh wait.. wrong series   

[Commander Zane]

[Roanoke]

Looks good. TBH I wouldn't worry about matching to your plans pixel-perfect. When I was intop high-poly stuff I grabbed 6 differnt plans of a Hawker Hunter fighter. Overlapped, they all differed slightly.

oh, and do the Vf22 next! 

[Thaeris]

I've read bits and pieces about an old Macross mod for FS2 before... this just happens to bring that to mind... Never played it, but there you go..

-Thaeris