[Flipside]

Not as long as you'd think to be honest, there were musical scales in 7000BC, just not the chromatic scales we use today

[castor]

Correct. I merely jumped in to remind that music is the art, and scales (and whatever) are the tools. Talent is inherent to (some) people, are they aware of these formal systems or not.

[Flipside]

Agreed, there are some great composers out there who have very little, if any musical training

[blackhole]

Correct. I merely jumped in to remind that music is the art, and scales (and whatever) are the tools. Talent is inherent to (some) people, are they aware of these formal systems or not.

I only have an issue with people who clearly lack any talent at all and are also unaware of formal systems.

[castor]

Yea, that summed with a wannabe attitude can be a disaster to bear.

[SypheDMar]

I have some knowledge of music theory at least, but I don't think I'm that proficient.